Fiona Hill: "The president was trying to stage a coup"

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Arthur Brain said:
Was part of that bad advice taking to the stage and claiming victory a few hours after the first votes had been counted?
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Is that tantamount to trying to stage a coup?
Arthur Brain said:
He had no reason to suspect election irregularity, all the prime news outlets were forecasting swings towards Biden once the mail in ballots were counted and that's what happened.
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The election was almost entirely irregular. That's not controversial.
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Cue a whole load of petulant shouting of fraud that his lawyers shied away from once in court and the whole thing was a debacle.
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Is that tantamount to trying to stage a coup?
Arthur Brain said:
Chances are there were those giving him good advice which is to say that there wasn't any widespread fraud but was the man child going to listen to that? Of course not, his fragile ego wouldn't permit him to do the decent thing, concede with good grace and aid a smooth transition of power. Instead there's been a complete load of farce with Powell and her kraken, Giuliani hosting press conferences outside of adult book stores and My pillow guy ranting away like a lunatic promising earth shattering evidence of a stolen election that predictably came to nought.
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And yet all the while, former President Trump did not try to stage a coup.
Arthur Brain said:
You can claim that the OP is wrong all you want, doesn't make it so. In fact, after recent revelations he's looking more and more culpable.
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There's zero reason to think that based on your post.
 
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Idolater said:
Is that tantamount to trying to stage a coup?

The election was almost entirely irregular. That's not controversial.

Is that tantamount to trying to stage a coup?

And yet all the while, former President Trump did not try to stage a coup.

There's zero reason to think that based on your post.
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It was irregular in the sense that a whole manner of things were with Covid. There was no substance to baseless allegations of widespread voter fraud and while you may have convinced yourself that Trump is absolved of any chicanery for Jan 06 it doesn't make it so.
 
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Arthur Brain said:
Was part of that bad advice taking to the stage and claiming victory a few hours after the first votes had been counted? He had no reason to suspect election irregularity, all the prime news outlets were forecasting swings towards Biden once the mail in ballots were counted and that's what happened. Cue a whole load of petulant shouting of fraud that his lawyers shied away from once in court and the whole thing was a debacle. Chances are there were those giving him good advice which is to say that there wasn't any widespread fraud but was the man child going to listen to that? Of course not, his fragile ego wouldn't permit him to do the decent thing, concede with good grace and aid a smooth transition of power. Instead there's been a complete load of farce with Powell and her kraken, Giuliani hosting press conferences outside of adult book stores and My pillow guy ranting away like a lunatic promising earth shattering evidence of a stolen election that predictably came to nought.

You can claim that the OP is wrong all you want, doesn't make it so. In fact, after recent revelations he's looking more and more culpable.
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History is replete with instances of candidates declaring themselves winners before the final count proves them wrong. Whether Trump was aware of the extent of the voter fraud on the day of the election he had a comfortable lead the night of the election before hundreds of thousands of questionable and unverifiable ballots for Biden suddenly appeared from nowhere.

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Up to 280,000 Ballots ‘Disappeared’ After Being Transported From NY to Pennsylvania: Amistad Project Director

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Phill Kline, director of the Thomas More Foundation's Amistad Project, speaks in a press conference in Arlington, Va., on Dec. 1, 2020. (Screenshot via NTD)

As many as 288,000 ballots for the 2020 U.S. election “disappeared” in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, after being transported by truck from New York, according to Phill Kline, the director of the legal group Thomas More Society’s Amistad Project.

Kline, a former district attorney and Kansas attorney general, said he received evidence that between “130,000 to 280,000 completed ballots for the 2020 general election had been shipped from Bethpage, New York, before the ballots and the trailer in which they were shipped disappeared” on Oct. 21. Kline cited statements from a U.S. Postal Service subcontractor whom he described as a whistleblower.

Kline also asserted in a statement that Postal Service workers were engaged in “widespread illegal efforts” to influence the election. At least one whistleblower said that they transported thousands of prefilled ballots across state lines, which, if true, would be a federal crime. His group made an “estimate” of the number of ballots that disappeared.

Kline said that the group will share the information with law enforcement, including the FBI, U.S. attorneys in other areas, and local prosecutors “who are aware of our evidence.”

Neither the FBI nor the Postal Service immediately responded to a request by The Epoch Times for comment.

The man identified by Kline as the whistleblower, Jesse Morgan, a truck driver for a USPS subcontractor, said at the news conference that he was driving a truck filled with up to 288,000 ballots on Oct. 21, according to Just The News. The truck—and ballots—disappeared from a USPS depot in Lancaster after he dropped it off there, he said.

Morgan added that Postal Service personnel exhibited “odd behaviors” that “grossly deviate[d] from normal procedure and behavior” on that day. The driver said he was transporting completed mail-in ballots with addresses in Harrisburg, but he had to deliver his ballots to Lancaster, which he felt was unusual. That was before the trailer “disappeared,” in Morgan’s words.


 
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Arthur Brain said:
It was irregular in the sense that a whole manner of things were with Covid. There was no substance to baseless allegations of widespread voter fraud and while you may have convinced yourself that Trump is absolved of any chicanery for Jan 06 it doesn't make it so.
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There was obviously widespread voter fraud here. Turns out, even with it all, it wasn't enough to affect the outcome of the presidential election, as former President Trump's 64 failed court cases concluded decisively.

And he is absolved of exactly what I said, and exactly what this thread's OP accuses him of; he was not trying to stage a coup. That has become now obvious as well.
 
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Idolater said:
There was obviously widespread voter fraud here. Turns out, even with it all, it wasn't enough to affect the outcome of the presidential election, as former President Trump's 64 failed court cases concluded decisively.

And he is absolved of exactly what I said, and exactly what this thread's OP accuses him of; he was not trying to stage a coup. That has become now obvious as well.
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No there wasn't Idolater else show it, cos Trump's legal teams and whatnot sure didn't manage to demonstrate it either in or outside of court. There is no credible evidence for widespread voter fraud whatsoever and that's the reality here.

You convince yourself as you will regarding Trump and Jan 06. Doesn't mean he wasn't guilty.
 
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Document that. Prove it. Demonstrate it.
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Democrats know voter fraud is hard to expose and prove, which is why they do it, even bragging about it in private as this democrat elections official did in NYC:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybe...-i-think-theres-a-lot-of-voter-fraud-n2230958

NYC Fraud Admitted

In the video, NYC Democratic Commissioner of the Board of Elections Alan Schulkin is caught on hidden camera at a United Federation of Teachers holiday party admitting that there is widespread voter fraud in New York City. “Yeah, they should ask for your ID. I think there is a lot of voter fraud,” said Schulkin, who elaborated on the types of voter fraud that are taking place in New York...“You know, I don’t think it’s too much to ask somebody to show some kind of an ID…Like I say, people don’t realize, certain neighborhoods in particular they bus people around to vote,” said Schulman.

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Officials Plead Guilty in New York Voter Fraud Case

A total of four Democratic officials and political operatives have now pleaded guilty to voter fraud-related felony charges in an alleged scheme to steal a New York election.
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Officials Plead Guilty in New York Voter Fraud Case

NYC Fraud Convicted By Eric Shawn , | Fox News

A total of four Democratic officials and political operatives have now pleaded guilty to voter fraud-related felony charges in an alleged scheme to steal a New York election.

The latest guilty pleas expose the ease with which political insiders can apparently manipulate the electoral system and throw an election their way, by the forging of signatures of unsuspecting voters that are then cast as real votes.

"The phrase they use is: 'making sure they vote the right way,'" said a source close to the case, which is unfolding in Troy, N.Y. "It is not a Democratic or Republican thing. ... It is criminal."

Former Troy Democratic City Clerk William McInerney, Democratic Councilman John Brown, and Democratic political operatives Anthony Renna and Anthony DeFiglio have entered guilty pleas in the case, in which numerous signatures were allegedly forged on absentee ballots in the 2009 Working Families Party primary, the political party that was associated with the now-defunct community group, ACORN.

The four have pleaded guilty to one count of various charges, ranging from forgery to falsifying business records, and criminal possession of a forged instrument.

"Getting at the truth has always been the primary goal of this investigation," Special Prosecutor Trey Smith said in a statement, while also thanking New York State Police efforts to "bring those responsible for the voting fraud to justice."

Numerous voters told Fox News that they were stunned that their signatures were faked on absentee ballot applications and ballots, which were cast as real votes in their names in the 2009 primary election.

Brian Suozzo's absentee ballot application claimed that he was "at home recovering from medical procedure," which he told us was not true.

"Someone took my signature and voted with it and I feel extremely violated," Suozzo said when Fox News first broke the story nationally in 2009. "The whole thing seems dirty to me."

Jessica Boomhower's absentee ballot application falsely claimed that she was in Boston.

"I can't believe they thought they would get away with this," she told Fox News. "I didn't get to cast my vote on my own. ... They're corrupt. I am sure this goes on a lot in politics, but it's very rare that they do get caught."

Two of the ballot applications claimed that the voters were unavailable, because they were supposedly on a "bus trip to casino."

Smith, at one point during the two-year long investigation, even obtained court orders to take DNA samples from five of the seven Democratic members of the Troy City Council. The goal was to try and compare the samples to any DNA evidence found on the absentee ballot envelopes.

No Republicans were implicated in the alleged conspiracy, but one political operative claimed that such voter fraud occurs "on both sides of the aisle."

In November 2009, Democratic operative Anthony DeFiglio told New York State police investigators that faking absentee ballots was a commonplace and accepted practice in political circles, all intended to swing an election.

"This is an on-going scheme and it occurs on both sides of the aisle," he told police. "The people who are targeted live in low-income housing and there is a sense that they are a lot less likely to ask any questions."

He said that "it was common knowledge that these people were never going to receive an absentee ballot. This is a political strategy to get control of a third party line."

DeFiglio claimed that "the reason that this came to light in this election, was the sheer number of absentee ballots that went out to the Working Families Party. ... To political insiders in the county, what appears as a huge conspiracy to non-political persons is really a normal political tactic."

Troy City Council President Clem Campana pleaded not guilty on Tuesday to charges including falsifying business records and illegal voting.

When Fox News asked him about the case last year, Campana was adamant that he did nothing wrong.

"No one tried to steal any election," he claimed. "I did nothing wrong, I don't know if anyone did, and if they did, they should be held accountable for it."
City Councilman Michael LoPorto and Democratic County Elections Commissioner Edward McDonough were indicted earlier this year and they face trial on the felony charges next month.
LoPorto also denied the allegations when Fox News questioned him last year.
"Did you do anything wrong?" Fox News asked.
He answered, "No."
"Did you try to steal an election?"
"No."
"Did you forge any ballots?"
"No," said LoPorto.

"They did steal an election," claimed Bob Mirch, the pugnacious former Republican Majority Leader of the Rensselaer County legislature, who first discovered the alleged fraud and started the investigation. For his efforts in trying to expose what happened, Mirch says he was voted out of office after serving 16 years and was replaced by a Democrat.

"This is just the tip of the iceberg," he said about voter fraud. "This case in Troy shows that the political insiders had this scheme down pat. Two years ago the public didn't believe me, but they know it now."

The case in Troy echoes a similar election fraud investigation that is now ongoing in Indiana.

St. Joseph County Prosecutor Michael Dvorak, in South Bend, is currently investigating allegations that numerous signatures on 2008 Democratic Presidential primary petitions for then candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, were faked. There are claims that so many signatures were fraudulent, that the Obama campaign may not have actually obtained enough legitimate signatures to have legally qualified for the ballot. And just like the New York voters in Troy who told Fox News that they never signed absentee ballots, voters in South Bend and Mishawaka told us that their signatures were forged too.

Democrat voter fraud has become so commonplace that crooks brag about committing voting fraud and not getting caught.
 
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No there wasn't Idolater else show it, cos Trump's legal teams and whatnot sure didn't manage to demonstrate it either in or outside of court. There is no credible evidence for widespread voter fraud whatsoever and that's the reality here.

You convince yourself as you will regarding Trump and Jan 06. Doesn't mean he wasn't guilty.
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The fact that you claim you see no fraud that tens of millions of Americans clearly see does not prove you are right.
 
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