God, the devil, and your neighbor

[NuMessJew]

Originally posted by Goose
Pub schooling is anything but enlightening. It sucks the very life out of you.

In public school I learned;
Mathematics
Science
Art
Music
English
Spanish
Greek
Latin
Hebrew
Psychology
History
Philosophy
Social science
Bible History
Yada yada yada

I’m sorry your experience was not as fulfilling. Perhaps you did take advantage of the opportunity you were given.

NuMessJew

 

[MisplacedHead]

I goto a Catholic High School, and if anything, it's made me question more parts of my faith than it has deepened them. I am still a firm believer in Jesus Christ, however, sometimes, I find it difficult to accept everything I am told to believe about God and religion. But this is what faith is for.

 

[NuMessJew]

Originally posted by MisplacedHead
I goto a Catholic High School, and if anything, it's made me question more parts of my faith than it has deepened them. I am still a firm believer in Jesus Christ, however, sometimes, I find it difficult to accept everything I am told to believe about God and religion. But this is what faith is for.

Questions are good. Don't be afraid of them.

NuMesssJew

 

[Goose]

Originally posted by NuMessJew


In public school I learned;
Mathematics
Science
Art
Music
English
Spanish
Greek
Latin
Hebrew
Psychology
History
Philosophy
Social science
Bible History
Yada yada yada

I’m sorry your experience was not as fulfilling. Perhaps you did take advantage of the opportunity you were given.

NuMessJew

Pub school for me was just trying to keep all the kids out of trouble. Learning was secondary. Pub school is different then it was 35-40 years ago.

 

[Goose]

Originally posted by MisplacedHead
I goto a Catholic High School, and if anything, it's made me question more parts of my faith than it has deepened them. I am still a firm believer in Jesus Christ, however, sometimes, I find it difficult to accept everything I am told to believe about God and religion. But this is what faith is for.

It's good to question your faith. God doesn't expect us to walk blindly. Keep the questions rolling, and always keep in mind that humans aren't perfect, but God is. Take care and God Bless

 

[NuMessJew]

Originally posted by Goose
Pub school for me was just trying to keep all the kids out of trouble. Learning was secondary. Pub school is different then it was 35-40 years ago.

Never to late to learn.

NuMessJew

 

[Goose]

Originally posted by NuMessJew


Never to late to learn.

NuMessJew

I teach myself.

 

[NuMessJew]

Originally posted by Goose
I teach myself.

Thats great! A mentor can save one steps.

NuMessJew

 

[Goose]

Originally posted by NuMessJew


Thats great! A mentor can save one steps.

NuMessJew

Mentors are few and far between, I hate to say.

 

[NuMessJew]

Originally posted by Goose
Mentors are few and far between, I hate to say.

True, but they exist. Don't give up.

NuMessJew

 

[Goose]

thanks

 

[Godless_One]

Originally posted by ebenz47037


Not in my opinion. It says that the majority of people who have graduated college (with the exception of Christian colleges) have been in the public education system too long and are brain-washed by political correctness.

(And, this is coming from someone who has no college degree. )

I'd disagree with you because I've gone to Catholic school my entire life, raised by Catholic parents, with Catholic friends, and through enough of my own thought, I've come to the conclusion that i do not believe in a god. Ideas such as 'god' or 'heaven' are merely tools of religion used as an incentive for believers to act morally. They use our human nature by turning something which we should do anyway into something we do for ourselves, for the promise of an eternal life. I know that the lives of others as well as my own would be better if people would act morally, and that's incentive enough for me.

So basically, there tends to be a greater number of college graduates who are atheist not because of brainwashing, but rather because they'd like to think for themselves.

(And, this is coming from a college-bound HS Student )]

 

[Godless_One]

Originally posted by MisplacedHead
I goto a Catholic High School, and if anything, it's made me question more parts of my faith than it has deepened them. I am still a firm believer in Jesus Christ, however, sometimes, I find it difficult to accept everything I am told to believe about God and religion. But this is what faith is for.

I also go to a Catholic High School, and I went through the same thing you are going through now. After enough thought, I determined that atheism was right for me. Even though i don't believe in God, I know that there are people who need God. I often think about how life would be better if I could believe that there was someone that makes all things possible and can give us hope when we can't find it anywhere else. So, go ahead and keep searching and you'll find what's right for you, whether it would be Catholicism, atheism, or any other system of beliefs.

 

[shilohproject]

Originally posted by Goose
Mentors are few and far between, I hate to say.

How does that old saying go: When the student is ready, the teacher will appear? Something like that...

 

[Goose]

Godless_One,

It seems like your problem is with false theology. Not with God.

 

[Godless_One]

Goose,

You're right, sure I think it'd be great if there was a god, but I can't bring myself to believe the idea of it with my current view of religion in general. That's how religion works, by offering us impossibly good things in exchange for right and just actions.

 

[Goose]

Well, isn't that jumping the gun? I mean, there could be a god or gods that don't offer that, but still created existence.

 

[NuMessJew]

Originally posted by Godless_One
Goose,

You're right, sure I think it'd be great if there was a god, but I can't bring myself to believe the idea of it with my current view of religion in general. That's how religion works, by offering us impossibly good things in exchange for right and just actions.

Would you have a problem with seeing the idea of "God" as the first uncaused cause? If there is a begining there was something that begun it?...;-) We can see cause and effect in our own lives. Let's move away from anthropormorphisms.

NuMessJew

 

[ebenz47037]

Originally posted by Godless_One


I'd disagree with you because I've gone to Catholic school my entire life, raised by Catholic parents, with Catholic friends, and through enough of my own thought, I've come to the conclusion that i do not believe in a god. Ideas such as 'god' or 'heaven' are merely tools of religion used as an incentive for believers to act morally. They use our human nature by turning something which we should do anyway into something we do for ourselves, for the promise of an eternal life. I know that the lives of others as well as my own would be better if people would act morally, and that's incentive enough for me.

So basically, there tends to be a greater number of college graduates who are atheist not because of brainwashing, but rather because they'd like to think for themselves.

(And, this is coming from a college-bound HS Student )]

That's okay. We're allowed to disagree. I will tell you how I feel about it and you tell me how you feel about it. No problem. I don't act morally because of God or heaven. I treat others how I want to be treated. I put myself on a high moral standard because I grew up watching people who did the opposite. Sure, I believe in God and heaven. But, that's not why I act the way I do. But, the Bible is a great blue-print on how I should act.

And, Godless One, I think I like you. You speak your mind, yet you're respectful about it.

 

[Godless_One]

Originally posted by Goose
Well, isn't that jumping the gun? I mean, there could be a god or gods that don't offer that, but still created existence.

I also understand the fact that there are things unable to be explained by science, but I'm not going to rush to a conclusion by throwing in an idea of God to suddenly make anything possible. There could be a completely scientific explanation to the creation of the universe, but there's no sure way of knowing, so I'm not going to attach myself to any theories yet.