Hi , and then we are all saved the same way from Adam , through today ??
How do you prove it ??
dan p
Dear Dan,
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Dan, I ask you: What do you mean? Isn't that statement correct?
This is the total statement which I made (re. post # 66): "We are saved today in the same manner as humans were saved all through time. People were and are saved all through time by living in the same manner as original Adam and Jesus the man."
Is it not true that the original Adam was a saved person. Then when Adam fell from grace sin came into the world. Then Adam started to sin and lost his salvation. Then Adam and all his descendants continue to sin and none of them were saved. All fall short of the glory of God. Therefore to be saved humans must be restored as original Adams. This is the only path.
Adam live in a certain way. This way of life kept him under grace of God. This way of life kept him saved and in a heavenly life (i.e. in the garden of Eden). When Adam abandon that way of life he fell from grace of God. He was no longer saved and no longer in a heavenly life (i.e. he was evicted from the garden of Eden). Heaven on earth as provided by God, is called the Garden of Eden.
To be saved and delivered means to get no sin for anything that one does. Also this means living in the garden of Eden. The garden of Eden describes a reality on earth both physical and non-physical where one lives in perfect fulfillment of all one's heart felt desires, some of which are carnal. This reality is created and sustained under grace of God. As humans we create and sustain this reality on earth when we are led into all of our works by unconditionally obeying precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for us to pray for, say and do as discerned within our individual hearts or spirit. We achieve this when we unconditionally obey the mind of this Spirit, even if we have to transgress all ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity. However we have to uphold the laws of the land.
God's will becomes done on earth and His garden of Eden is created and sustained on earth among each human only when each human is led into all his works by unconditionally obeying precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for him to pray for, say and do as discern within his individual hearts or spirit. Such a person must also obey the mind of this Spirit unconditionally, even if he has to transgress all moral, social and/or religious ideals and laws, including the Ten Commandments. Such people are in Christ. They are living like the original Adam They are the saved and delivered. However such people must uphold and obey the laws of the land.
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To be saved and delivered is to be a child of God. To be not saved and delivered is to be a child of the flesh.
The original Adam was a child of God. After Adam fell from grace he became a child of the flesh and all his descendants were children of the flesh.
Before Adam's fall all his action were under grace of God. This made him a child of God. After the fall of Adam he and his descendants were no longer under grace of God they were under grace of man. Put another way: This means that after the fall of Adam, Adam and all Adam's descendants were led by their carnal side. They were no longer led by God.
To be led by one's carnal or physical side is to be a child of the flesh.
To be led by God is to be under grace of God. This is to be a child of God. Children of God are led by the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus. God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of fallen Adams so that they might become adopted children of God.
The Spirit of Jesus communicate with humans directly, privately and individually through our individual heart or spirit. This is achieved intuitively. Our intuitions are how we discern things through and within our own hearts or spirits. This is how we discern and achieve live, real time communion with the Spirit of Jesus within our own hearts or spirits.
What the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for each of us to pray for, say and do is always in line with the will of God. Therefore this (living) Spirit of Jesus tell humans what (the living) God wants each one to do, in real time, all the time.
Both God and the Spirit of Jesus are eternally living. They provide real time, direct and individualized guidance to people. Those who can access and be led led into all their works by this guidance become restored Adams. They are saved and delivered. The become children of God (like the original Adam and Jesus, the man).
What the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for one to pray for, say and do is discerned within one's own heart. After Jesus' crucifixion and rise to heaven, God sent this Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God (i.e. so that they might become restored Adams).
The lost of salvation came through sin. Sin came into the world when Adam fell from grace. After Adam fell from grace Adam and all his descendants sin and continue to sin and were therefore not saved.
In order to be saved one must be without sin. Therefore one has to be restored to the status of the original Adam.
After the fall of Adam there were no children of God on earth among him and his descendants. The fall of Adam meant that Adam moved from being a child of God to being a child of the flesh. After the fall of Adam everyone among them were children of the flesh. This happened because Adam stop being led into all his works by the Spirit of Truth as discerned within his own heart or spirit (this is how children of God are led). Instead he began being led by his own intellectually derive wisdom (this is how children of the flesh are led).
It started when he (Adam) ignore his own intuitions of Truth as discerned from the Spirit of Truth within his own heart or spirit and instead listened to Eve and started acting out of his (Adam's) own thinking as done through his own brain (which is a part of his physical side). He moved from being led by God through the Spirit of Truth as discern through his spirit side, to being being led by himself through the faculties of his own discrimination as done through his own physical side (his physical brain). This is how everyone falls from grace of God and stays that way.
After that long stretch of time after the fall of Adam, Jesus came to earth as a man who was the (only) restored original Adam among those who were all who were without Grace of God. Therefore after the fall of Adam, Jesus was the first child of God to be brought forth to earth, among them (fallen Adams).
Jesus in a human physical body on earth was an example of a restored Adam. Jesus' physical body is 'seen' (i.e. physical) and therefore temporal. It is no more. Jesus' physical body has returned dust to dust. Jesus' physical body was created out of earthly material, under grace of Mary. Only Jesus Himself and His Spirit are from heaven. Things from earth stay on earth, they do not go to heaven. Only things from heaven go back to heaven. Jesus' physical body was a thing from and of, earth and it was left on earth. His physical body was temporal. Jesus' Spirit was and is eternal. Therefore both Jesus and His Spirit lives. Now (currently) Jesus serves God and humans through His Spirit. The Spirit of Jesus is how God and Jesus enables humans to become restored Adams. we are told in no uncertain terms to look not at (or at) things that are 'seen' (i.e. physical), like Jesus' physical body, for these are temporal. We are told to look at (or to) things that are 'not seen' (i.e. not physical), like Jesus in His Spirit, for these thing are eternal.
This is achieved when each person is led into all his works by unconditionally obeying precisely what this Spirit of Jesus has in mind for him to pray for, say and do, as discerned intuitively within his own individual hearts or spirits.
This is why God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law.
However only those whose hearts or spirits are not waxed gross can go into their heart to have communion with Jesus in this way. 'The dead' describes people whose hearts are waxed gross. They are dead to their own heart or spirit. They cannot achieve communion with Jesus' Spirit within their own heart or spirit. Therefore 'the dead' cannot be and are not saved and/or delivered.
The dead must receive the first fruit of the Holy Spirit. This first fruit is a heart that is no longer waxed gross. Only then can they seek the adoption as children of God. Only then can they search their heart to discern the Spirit of Jesus within their heart.
