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Laughably idiotic claim! You believe nearly everything Calvinism affirmatively teaches! Reformed theology is just reformed Augustinianism. It took out stupidly obvious errors that Roman Catholicism teaches (indulgences and the like) but kept everything that Augustine imported from Plato fully intact! You not only accept all of that but add the goofy notion that Christ's death wasn't quite enough to pay for sin and so everyone has to spend some time in purgatory to make up the difference. Not to mention to totally superstitious nonsense of transubstantiation, as well as infant baptism and Lord only knows what all other goofy things you people believe that seems to be just made up out of whole clothe.

He sounds like a Calvinist Acts 9er Dispensationalist, we had a user here Hilston who was that.
Hiltson was a presuppositionalist (i.e. of the Cornelius Van Til school of thought) and a strident Calvinist in EVERY aspect, including Covenant Theology, so far as I can remember. I had a very great deal of interaction with him. It's been years and years, but I do not recall him being Mid-Acts. That seems totally contradictory to everything he ever said while he was here. Do you have any evidence that he was Mid-Acts? If so, I'd like to read it.
 
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Laughably idiotic claim! You believe nearly everything Calvinism affirmatively teaches! Reformed theology is just reformed Augustinianism. It took out stupidly obvious errors that Roman Catholicism teaches (indulgences and the like) but kept everything that Augustine imported from Plato fully intact! You not only accept all of that but add the goofy notion that Christ's death wasn't quite enough to pay for sin and so everyone has to spend some time in purgatory to make up the difference. Not to mention to totally superstitious nonsense of transubstantiation, as well as infant baptism and Lord only knows what all other goofy things you people believe that seems to be just made up out of whole clothe.

I went back and edited the post to make it clearer that ▼this statement▼ is the one I was answering:

“ ... [Feldick] even got it right about there being no requirement to be water baptized, which almost no one gets right these days. ”

Hiltson was a presuppositionalist (i.e. of the Cornelius Van Til school of thought) and a strident Calvinist in EVERY aspect, including Covenant Theology, so far as I can remember. I had a very great deal of interaction with him. It's been years and years, but I do not recall him being Mid-Acts. That seems totally contradictory to everything he ever said while he was here. Do you have any evidence that he was Mid-Acts? If so, I'd like to read it.

If only @Lon were here, he would confirm. As far as any of his content I only could search the username just like you or anybody. idk if any of his posts made it through the mass deletions that have happened over the years.

@Hilston is the username.
 

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Clete

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I'm very surprised. Practically his first claim is that his view is rationally consistent, completely glossing over the fact that it cannot possibly be because Covenant Theology is the entirely consistent logically necessary conclusion that follows from the doctrine of immutability.

But then, his appeal to logical consistency was always more about posturing than it was about a true allegiance to rigorously consistent thought based on foundational premises which are rooted in the plain reading of scripture. Not that he didn't (doesn't) believe that he's being logically consistent, but like every other Calvinist, everything that needed to be a figure of speech was instantly turned into one. Any word that needed redefined, was so. Any concept that needed to be turned inside out, was flipped without question into it's opposite.
 

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I think that you have not been exposed to much. There are many good teachers out there, including many that are better than Les (not putting down Les, he was very good).

We tend to discuss Bible doctrine (and the Bible itself) and not Bible teachers.
Name somebody that walks You Through the Bible that is better than Les feldick. I think it depends on your theological background and beliefs. I find it very hard to believe that you have any Bible teacher that is more biblical than Les feldick who would disagree with him about much. I listen to every single episode of Les Feldick two times. There are a few things I disagree with him on but he is biblically solid in most areas.
 

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Name somebody that walks You Through the Bible that is better than Les feldick.
Justin Johnson for one (grace ambassadors).
Bob Enyart for a second (he is deceased, Denver Bible Church).
I think it depends on your theological background and beliefs.
@Clete already explained many of the problems with Les' teachings.
I find it very hard to believe that you have any Bible teacher that is more biblical than Les feldick who would disagree with him about much.
Again, did you not read @Clete's post? https://theologyonline.com/threads/how-to-get-to-heaven-when-you-die.60548/post-1919706
I listen to every single episode of Les Feldick two times.
Yes, you seem quite hung up on him.
There are a few things I disagree with him on but he is biblically solid in most areas.
Again, you need to read @Clete's post... https://theologyonline.com/threads/how-to-get-to-heaven-when-you-die.60548/post-1919706
 

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Name somebody that walks You Through the Bible that is better than Les feldick. I think it depends on your theological background and beliefs. I find it very hard to believe that you have any Bible teacher that is more biblical than Les feldick who would disagree with him about much. I listen to every single episode of Les Feldick two times. There are a few things I disagree with him on but he is biblically solid in most areas.
Well, discussing which bible teacher is "better" or "best" or whatever is a bit like discussing which quarterback is "the best" in football. Simple personal preference is no small factor. Les appeals more to an older audience, not because of his content but because of his pacing and style. I mean the man uses a real chalk board. That's as old school as it gets, right?

Of course, his actual content will also have an impact on who finds him to be a good teacher. His doctrine is sufficiently different than what is typically found on Christian television that it's something of a minor miracle that his show has was ever on the air at all, much less for the decades that it's been airing.

Imagine the reaction someone from a high energy charismatic church would have to Les Feldick's show. They'd not be able to tolerate it for any length of time at all and would declare him the worst bible teach that's ever opened a bible and wonder what in the world the TV execs are thinking having him on their air.

If one wants to make an objective evaluation, all one can really do is to look at his doctrine. On that basis, he's an absolute giant, towering over anyone that I can think of who airs on Christian television. Bob Enyart's TV show was much more entertaining but it wasn't about teaching the bible, it was about political and social commentary and it's been off the air for decades now. Les' show has stood the test of time, I think primarily due to the strength of his doctrine and I think that's true in spite of several important doctrinal shortcomings, which just goes to show you how pitifully poor the doctrine is on practically the whole rest of what you see on Christian television. It's so bad that it's worse than a waste of time, it will actually do your spiritual life harm to watch it.

So, the answer to the question, "Who the best bible teacher?" depends on one's criteria. If you're talking about who's the best bible teacher on television, then I'd say that Les wins that contest. If your criteria is doctrine then Les is very good, indeed better than most, but definitely not the best.

I explain why in post 179.
 
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xfrodobagginsx

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This thread went from "How To Get To Heaven When You Die" to "a Bible teacher contest"....

It's fairly rare when someone derails their own thread.
Looks more like you are the one trying to derail it. You made false accusations before about Les Feldick's beliefs and even after I corrected you, you make the same false claims.

If I talk about Bible Teachers in an Evangelistic Thread, it doesn’t derail the thread.
 

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Looks more like you are the one trying to derail it.
I was not the one that changed the subject of the thread. That was you.
You made false accusations before about Les Feldick's beliefs and even after I corrected you, you make the same false claims.
I made NO false accusations about Les Feldick. Please QUOTE the post that you THINK that I did.
If I talk about Bible Teachers in an Evangelistic Thread, it doesn’t derail the thread.
Apparently, you cannot tell the difference between a FORUM and the THREAD (within a forum).

THIS THREAD is TITLED "How To Get To Heaven When You Die".

The FORUM is:
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YOU switched to discussing "Bible teachers".

Get a GRIP.
 

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Question: What does Les Feldick teach that is false?
Les Feldick was definitely one of the most approachable Bible teachers you could listen to. My aunt watches his show daily, and I’m very happy that she does. Because of his mid-Acts dispensationalism, he got a great deal of doctrine right, especially when it came to daily Christian living. His clear distinction between Israel and the Body of Christ, his emphasis on Paul’s unique apostleship, and his unshakable teaching of salvation by grace through faith give believers a simple, solid foundation for walking with the Lord day by day.

When it came to explaining the gospel in plain terms, Feldick excelled. He had a way of cutting through tradition and making Scripture come alive for everyday life. He even got it right about there being no requirement to be water baptized, which almost no one gets right these days. On these issues there is no disagreement. There’s virtually no daylight at all between what Les taught and what Bob taught and what I personally believe today when it comes to most of what Les talks about on his daily television show. It is definitely worth the time to watch.

There are, however, important areas where I believe he fell short. I will briefly touch on a few of the most significant.

While he rejected Covenant Theology, he still carried over parts of classical theism that, in my view, distort the nature of God. Chief among these is the traditional idea of immutability that goes far beyond God’s moral character and personality, presenting Him as unresponsive and unchanging in every respect. This idea that God cannot change in any way whatsoever is the premise upon which Covenant Theology is built. Indeed, the entire system of Calvinism flows logically from that single premise. He accepted the premise and rejected its natural conclusion. I doubt he was fully aware that he was making such a clean error, but that does not change the fact that he was doing so.

While Les rejected Calvinism generally and Covenant Theology in particular, he did not reject all of the doctrines that are predicated on the belief that God cannot change in any way whatsoever. He held to views on God’s foreknowledge, sovereignty, and relationship to time that are all but indistinguishable from Calvinism’s teaching on these issues and which clearly differ from Enyart’s teaching and my own. Feldick saw God’s foreknowledge as exhaustive and definite in every respect, meaning all future events were fully known as fixed before they occurred. He often spoke of God’s sovereignty in terms of total control over everything that happens, rather than as God being the highest authority who can allow genuine freedom within His rule, which is the biblical teaching. In addition, he taught that God exists outside of time, regarding time as meaningless to Him. These positions, while common in evangelical teaching, blur God’s relational engagement with His creation and make it impossible to take the biblical record of His interactions at face value. Whole swaths of Scripture are rendered almost meaningless, transformed into lengthy “figures of speech” that must be taken to mean the opposite of what they plainly say.

Feldick also accepted the standard evangelical view of original sin, teaching that all humanity is spiritually dead because of Adam’s transgression. I believe this misses the mark in a couple of different ways. First, it ignores the whole of Ezekiel 18, which emphatically teaches that God does not hold people guilty because of the sin of their ancestors. Second, it overlooks the universal effect of Christ’s work at Calvary, which resolved the impact Adam’s sin had on his race and allowed God to act toward mankind in a manner consistent with justice, holding people responsible only for the sins they commit themselves. In this understanding, people are spiritually alive until they personally sin, and it is at that point they become in need of salvation through union with Christ. That difference changes how we think about the state of humanity and the way we present the gospel.

His view of faith leaned toward the common evangelical definition, trusting God’s word without necessarily seeking full rational grounding. I see it differently. True biblical faith is reasoned trust, rooted in objective truth and sound logic. Faith that is not anchored in reality as God has revealed it can drift into superstition or mysticism.

And then there is Logos in John 1:1. Feldick followed the usual translation of “Word” without digging into the depth of the term. I believe Logos is best understood as “Logic,” or “Reason,” not merely as an abstract idea but as the living rational principle at the heart of God’s being. This understanding of John’s use of the word Logos changes the way we understand both the passage and the Person it describes, as well as the role sound reason should play in our doctrine and in our daily lives. It may seem like a small issue, but it has an enormous doctrinal impact.

So, I can recommend Les Feldick in many areas, particularly where his mid-Acts perspective shines, which happens to be the vast majority of his content. Yet it is wise to study his work with discernment, as with anyone’s teaching. His strengths are real, and they are substantial. So much so that I will say again what I said in a previous post: Les Feldick is much better than any other person who airs on Christian television, by a rural Oklahoma country mile!

Clete

P.S. I made a LOT of claims in this post that might be trying to make your head explode! For the sake be brevity, I intentionally made no effort to establish any of those claims but am more than happy to do so. Please feel free to ask me any question that this post generates in your mind. By all means, challenge me to defend anything you wish to challenge me on. That's what I'm here for!
 

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What does the Catholic Church's magisterium teach that it false?
The very fact of its existence is a form of false teaching.

You don't have to watch thousands of hours of video to find the answer, if it exists, it is in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which is a summary of the entirety of Catholicism.

It is here.
False Teachings in the Catechism of the Catholic Church

  1. Salvation by grace plus works – CCC teaches that justification involves both faith and works as necessary for salvation (e.g., §§1987–2029).
  2. Baptismal regeneration – CCC teaches that water baptism itself causes spiritual rebirth and removes original sin (§§1213, 1257).
  3. Sacramental system as means of grace – CCC claims the seven sacraments are necessary channels of God’s saving grace (§§1127–1131).
  4. Perpetual sinlessness of Mary – CCC teaches the “Immaculate Conception,” meaning Mary was preserved free from original sin from conception (§§490–493).
  5. Perpetual virginity of Mary – CCC teaches Mary remained a virgin for her whole life (§§496–511), denying she had other children.
  6. Mary as Mediatrix and Advocate – CCC teaches that Mary intercedes for believers and aids in salvation (§§969, 975).
  7. The papacy as Christ’s vicar – CCC asserts that the pope is the supreme authority over the whole Church on earth (§§882–937).
  8. Transubstantiation – CCC teaches that the bread and wine become the literal body and blood of Christ during the Mass (§§1374–1377).
  9. The Mass as a re-presentation of Christ’s sacrifice – CCC teaches that the Mass is an unbloody re-offering of the sacrifice of the cross (§§1364–1367).
  10. Purgatory – CCC teaches a place of purification after death for believers who are not yet fully cleansed (§§1030–1032).
  11. Prayers to saints – CCC teaches that believers should invoke saints for their intercession (§§956–957, 2683).
  12. The treasury of merit – CCC teaches that the Church draws from the accumulated merits of Christ, Mary, and the saints to help remit temporal punishment for sin (§§1474–1477).
  13. Indulgences – CCC teaches that the Church can grant remission of temporal punishment through indulgences (§§1471–1473, 1498).
  14. Confession to a priest as necessary – CCC teaches that sacramental confession to a priest is required for forgiveness of mortal sins (§§1456–1460).
  15. Venial vs. mortal sin distinction – CCC teaches that sin is divided into two categories, with mortal sin causing loss of salvation and venial sin not (§§1854–1864).
  16. Church tradition equal to Scripture – CCC teaches that Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium are equal in authority to the Bible (§§80–82, 95).
  17. Original sin imputed from Adam to all – CCC teaches inherited guilt, not just inherited mortality and corruption (§§402–406).
  18. Infant baptism as necessary – CCC teaches that baptism of infants is essential to remove original sin (§§1250–1252).
  19. Eucharist necessary for salvation – CCC teaches that receiving the Eucharist is essential for eternal life (§1382, citing John 6 incorrectly).
  20. The Church as the sole ark of salvation – CCC teaches that full salvation is only found within the Catholic Church (§§846–848).
 
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