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Not gonna listen to someone who tries to change the nature of God from the Biblical way of God knowing all things to some finite being who doesn't know everything, is not all-powerful...
So you've never heard or read a single word from Justin and yet you ASSUME that he teaches falsely. You are an illogical piece of work.
Of God doesn't know all things, He cannot be trusted to Govern all things.
False and illogical.
But thankfully, the Bible does say that God knows all things, Created all things and holds all things together. God is all powerful and all knowing after all.
Again, you've not listened to a single thing that anyone has told you.
It doesn't take much Theological Knowledge or understand to get that.
And you call others cocky... hilarious.
Are you sure your not a Jehovah's Witness cult memeber, denying the deity of Christ in spite all all of the Biblical evidence?
False accusations again.
Do you even care about what Scripture says at all?
False accusations... AGAIN.
Oh no, all doesnt mean all anymore, it just means sometimes.
You are a very dim bulb. Nobody has said that "all just means sometimes". What we have said is that sometimes ALL is used as a GENERALIZATION.
You have no valid reason to say that all doesnt mean all in Scripture.
You've been SHOWN (many times)... you just prefer to remain BLIND.
You just want the Bible to fit your false views.
False accusations... AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN!
Why can you believe the Bible in some areas, but not others? Just curious?
Why do you hang your doctrine on a SINGLE verse and IGNORE the huge parts of the Bible that argue against you?
 
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1 John 3:20 KJV
[20] For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things
I'm almost certain that you will not even hear me on this, but there is a CONTEXT associated with the "all things" in that verse.

Read the first part of the verse: "For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart,"

The CONTEXT is KNOWING THE HEARTS OF MEN (and women).
 

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lol. Where did you get the word 'symbolize' from? Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
Not even close. Are you?

I got it from Jesus Himself. He was referring to physical cermony that symbolizes what is Spiritual

John 6:55-56 KJV
[55] For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. [56] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

John 6:63 KJV
[63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 

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@xfrodobagginsx Are the disciples equal in knowledge to God?

1John 2:20 (AKJV/PCE)​
(2:20) But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.​
Since the Bible says that they "know all things"?
I do!

All means all!

I mean, come on RD! How are you going to twist the scripture enough to explain that away! The bible says they know all things. What more is there to say about it? Don't be a conceded jerk! Admit it when you've been proven wrong!






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xfrodobagginsx

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I do!

All means all!

I mean, come on RD! How are you going to twist the scripture enough to explain that away! The bible says they know all things. What more is there to say about it? Don't be a conceded jerk! Admit it when you've been proven wrong!






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Yes they knew all things that Christ wanted them to know and teach. All means all.

You stop being a conceited jerk.

God knows all things. Jesus knows all things. Did the disciples create all things and hold all things together? Use your brain. Jesus knows everything there is to know past, present& future.
 

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Yes they knew all things that Christ wanted them to know and teach. All means all.

You stop being a conceited jerk.

God knows all things. Jesus knows all things. Did the disciples create all things and hold all things together? Use your brain. Jesus knows everything there is to know past, present& future.
Wow!

There isn't any possible way that you don't see the point here, Frodo.
 

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How can YOU not see that God knows all things? That if He created all things, holds all things together, know the future, exists from.eternity past to eternity future, He knows everything? Too bad if it doesn't fit your bad theology!
Well, because, as I've shown you multiple times, "all" almost never means "every single thing" and the bible very clearly shows us that there are things that God does not know.

It's not like we're suggesting that there's a great deal of important information that God doesn't know. His knowledge is vastly beyond our own and His wisdom quite literally appears to be without limit. So much so that it's perfectly acceptable to say, when speaking in general terms, that God knows all things. The problem is, that when you're dealing with doctrine and especially when one is debating the details of one's doctrine, it is important to make the distinction that such comments are being said as generalities. Otherwise, what seems like to some to be a small error, ends up turning into a very large error. In this case, it means that you have to accept that the bible tells falsehoods or that it's self contradictory or both.

So, as I have fully established biblically, God knows all things - that are knowable and that He desires to know. God is not required to be a first person witness to every vile act of perversion, nor, as your doctrine would imply, is He actively holding the knife together as the murderer fillets his victim. God doesn't care about which order the photons are flying off the Sun and in which direction. He doesn't pay any attention to which electrons are going cause the LED at the bottom left corner of your computer screen to light up and when. He isn't interested in which particular order the red blood cells line up in as they pass through the capillaries behind you right eye ball.

Could He pay attention to such things if He decided to? Sure! Could He control such things with meticulous accuracy, of course! Does He have to? NO! Is He required to? Absolutely not! Does He somehow abrogate the office of Godhood by letting such things happen on their own? Certainly not! Why would anyone even suggest such a silly thing?

Likewise, God is perfectly capable of granting privacy to people and He is entirely free to turn His back on the wicked. He isn't so stupid as to do so in a manner that is going to permit anyone to get away with their evil. God is a smart guy and He happens to know just how to run the universe He created without having to be a micromanaging control freak who must know every detail of every event that ever happens anywhere. What He is not immediately aware of, He has means to discover. We see exactly that in relation to Sodom and Gomorrah...

Genesis 18:21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know.”

Then God Himself isn't even the one that went down. He sent two angels to go and investigate. Which, by the way, they did in real time. Not that it took long, but the point is that they did actually have to go there and see what was going on. The mob that they had to strike blind to get away from was all the evidence they needed, of course, but the point is that it was the evidence they came looking for.

So, Frodo, did this episode in Genesis 18 happen or not? Did God say the things Moses recorded or is it a falsehood?
 
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@xfrodobagginsx

Do you believe that God is able to forget things that He chooses to forget?

Isaiah 43:25 “I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake; And I will not remember your sins.”​
Jeremiah 31:34 “…For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”​
Ezekiel 18:22 “None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live.”​
Hebrews 8:12 “For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”​
Hebrews 10:17 “Then He adds, ‘Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.’”​
If so, how do you square that with your insistence that God knows absolutely every single detail of existence?
If not, how do you square that with what I just quoted from the bible?
 
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