How to tell if you're a Marxist

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As you read the following see how many of the institutions of government mentioned are ideas that you support. The more of them you support, the more marxist you are in your political ideas. The way I see things, we are already a marxist state, we, meaning most of the US public, just doesn't realize it. It seems that most marxists here don't even realize they are marxist.

[SIZE=+2] ARE Americans practicing Communism? [/SIZE] Read the 10 Planks of The Communist Manifesto to discover the truth and learn how to know your enemy...
Karl Marx describes in his communist manifesto, the ten steps necessary to destroy a free enterprise system and replace it with a system of omnipotent government power, so as to effect a communist socialist state. Those ten steps are known as the Ten Planks of The Communist Manifesto… The following brief presents the original ten planks within the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart for each of the planks. From comparison it's clear MOST Americans have by myths, fraud and deception under the color of law by their own politicians in both the Republican and Democratic and parties, been transformed into Communists.
Another thing to remember, Karl Marx in creating the Communist Manifesto designed these planks AS A TEST to determine whether a society has become communist or not. If they are all in effect and in force, then the people ARE practicing communists.
Communism, by any other name is still communism, and is VERY VERY destructive to the individual and to the society!!
The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are...
1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...).
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.
6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned"… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.
8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.

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You can read the rest of this article at: http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html
 
The Barbarian

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I doubt if freeloader ever read the Communist Manifesto. In fact, Marx hated all the things that freeloader hates:

For a modern reader, Marx's discussion of the second subgroup perhaps deserves the most consideration. The Conservative Socialism that Marx condemns is precisely the attitude embraced by countries like the United States toward the plight of workers. Welfare, Social Security, and a minimum wage are all measures that Marx would dismiss as attempts to preserve the capitalist system by making the situation of the proletariat tolerable.
http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/communist/section4/

Freeloader, like all classical Marxists, decries these things. He differs from most Marxists, by supposing that Marx promoted them.
 
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ffreeloader said:
You be pretty hilarious, barby.
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Remember when I told you to be especially careful when someone told you something you really want to believe? It would have saved you some embarrassment this time.

You're not the only one. I've argued with admitted Marxists who were furious when I pointed out that Marxism rejects socialistic ideas that fall short of complete control of everything by the state.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe said:
Yeah, he's as funny as a guy with an ingrown toenail dropping a bowling ball on his own foot.
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It is rather amusing to watch his desperation grow. Now he is alleging that he doesn't even recognize the 10 planks Marx laid out to destroy a free society. That they are word-for-word copies doesn't seem to matter to him. He'll deny that they are. Guess maybe I should just post the entire manifesto.
 
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LOL. Your objections just keep on getting more childish all the time as your desperation keeps on growing. It's as if you're implying the Communist Manifesto is hard to find. That's pretty humorous. Anything just to distract from the reality of what I posted. But then that's the only tool left in your toolbox. The last thing you want is an honest discussion of the facts pointed out by the author.

Pretty funny how you, a supposed libertarian, are so triggered by a web page posted by another libertarian. You, seemingly, don't even recognize libertarian thought. The irony just keeps on growing and you keep on exposing who you really are.

Here's one of the last lines on the web page.
VOTE LIBERTARIAN, the only political party in America that still firmly supports and diligently abides by the Constitution of the united States of America.
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And you imply the page is rubbish. You're a funny guy. You make me laugh.
 
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ffreeloader said:
It is rather amusing to watch his desperation grow. Now he is alleging that he doesn't even recognize the 10 planks Marx laid out to destroy a free society. That they are word-for-word copies doesn't seem to matter to him. He'll deny that they are. Guess maybe I should just post the entire manifesto.
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Yeah, hopefully he will be successful in finding someone to read it to him?
 
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ffreeloader said:
LOL. Your objections just keep on getting more childish all the time as your desperation keeps on growing.
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Seems to me that you'd be more effective if you learned to argue effectively, rather than get mad and verbally abusive.

It's as if you're implying the Communist Manifesto is hard to find.
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You suggested you might actually post parts that supported your claims. I replied that might be a good idea. Suddenly, you don't want to do it. I think I know why.

Pretty funny how you, a supposed libertarian, are so triggered by a web page posted by another libertarian.
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I'm just noting that paranoia and conspiracy stories aren't very "liberatarian." He claims to be a libertarian, but most libertarians are rational people. You, seemingly, don't even recognize libertarian thought. But then, you seem to be more attracted to Marxism.

I imagine you did intend to post at at least some of the Communist Manifesto, but then learned what was in it, and realized that wouldn't be a very good idea.
 
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LOL. You're a funny guy, barby. But since you insist I'll post the 10 planks from the Communist manifesto.

I'll include another part of it too.

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

These measures will of course be different in different countries.

Nevertheless in the most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c., &c.

When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organise itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.

In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.
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Notice what Marx says below. His ideology abolishes eternal truths, all religion, and all morality. Now, the implications of such a statement are quite profound. They mean that Marx thought nothing of using deciet, treachery, murder, misrepresentation, etc... in the accomplishment of his goals. He recognized no value in honesty, forthrightness, kindness, honor, duty, etc.... And he does all this very explicitly. And his followers have trod in his footsteps. Marxists have taken him at his word, and completely left behind all that in the end makes life good, pleasant, and sustainable for a society based upon the lack of all good morals is not a society that can exist for long. A marxist cannot allow liberty of conscience or liberty of thought for these ideas stand in total opposition to the very foundation of the ideology.

"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc. that are common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience."
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Here's how Max Eastman describes Marx putting these ideas into practice in Reflections of the Failure of Socialism.
Marx was so sure that the world was going to be redeemed
by its own dialectic evolution that he would not permit his
disciples to invoke the guidance of moral ideals. He really
meant it when he said the workers have "no ideal to realize,"
they have only to participate in the contemporary struggle.
He expelled people from his 'Communist party for mention-
ing programmatically such things as "love," "justice," "hu-
manity," even "morality" itself. "Soulful ravings," "sloppy
sentimentality," he called such expressions, and purged the
astonished authors as though they had committed the most
dastardly crimes.
Later in life, when Marx founded the First International,
he felt compelled for the sake of a big membership to soft-
pedal his highbrow insight into the purposes of the universe.
He wrote privately to Engels:"I was obliged to insert in the
preamble two phrases about 'duty and right,' ditto 'truth,
morality, and justice.'" But these lamentable phrases-he as-
sured his friend-- 'are placed in such a way that they can do
no harm."
This mystic faith in evolution set Marx's mind free, and,
alas, his natural disposition, to replace the honest campaign
of public persuasion by which other gospels have been prop-
agated, with schemes for deceiving the public and tricking
his way into positions of power. It was Marx, not Lenin, who
invented the technique of the "front organization," the de-
vice of pretending to be a democrat in order to destroy de-
mocracy, the ruthless purging of dissident party members,
the employment of false personal slander in this task.
It was Marx and Engels who adopted "scorn and con..
tempt" as the major key in which to attack the opponents of
socialism, introducing a literature of vituperation that has
few parallels in history. Even the political masterstroke of
giving the land to the peasants "initially" in order to take it
away from them when the power is secure came from the
same source. The introduction of such unprincipled behav-
ior into a movement toward the highest ends of man was
entirely the work of Marx and Engels. Lenin added nothing
to it but skill, and Stalin nothing but total instinctive indif-
ference to the ends.
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Notice that Marx and Engels were the pioneers of the Marxist movement in using scorn and contompt for all who opposed them. These are the very same tactics used today marxists. We don't find a discussion of the issues. We see accusations of racism, sexism, whatever ism you want to use, as the modus operandi of the left. We also don't see honesty, forthrightness, kindness, etc.... coming from them. It's no wonder either as they are following in the footsteps of their master.
 
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The Barbarian said:

“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second
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https://americainchains2009.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/dictators-and-gun-control/
 
Jose Fly

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This is an interesting set of arguments. Let's start with the first one....

ffreeloader said:
1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)
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CLICK HERE to see the 14th Amendment. As far as I can tell, there isn't anything in there about abolishing private property and/or turning all income generated from land use over to the government.

Can you explain ffreeloader?

Similarly, can you explain exactly how zoning laws, property taxes, and the BLM constitute "abolition of private property"?
 
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