An idiot, a fool, an evil person. Six one, half a dozen the other.
Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?
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The truth is there to see right now for anyone and everyone who desires to see it.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
Literally Christianity 101.
Derf
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Derf
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But what form must that take? If the person is recognizing a false gospel and false accounting of God, then he is understanding some of God's attributes correctly and correctly rejecting the false gospel. Isn't that a huge part of accepting the true God and true gospel? So no excuse needed?
Clete, would you mind responding to his questions for my benefit?
(And try to keep in mind that most discussions aren't going to convince one's opponent, but they may or may not convince someone in the audience.)
I remember the late Bob Eyart's TV show all the time without discussions here. It never changes. This exact point was brought up. He looked at the camera and replied to the idiot question, because that is what it was and said
And by the way, he was always polite, even to the "fruit loops".
I don't ever mind answering any honest question. Just exactly which question is it that you want me to answer?
The closest to a question Derf got to was...
"So it sounds like you are willing to say that "saved" means resurrection from the dead (and no more) for believers, but resurrection from the dead does not mean "saved" for unbelievers."
It's the "and no more" parenthetical that throws this statement into the trash heap of stupidity. Derf knows - he knows - that I was not saying that and that I would not be willing to say it. He's a liar. I suspect that he desires to be on my ignore list. Fine. I'm happy to keep him there.
The only reason he came off is because I have a policy about people on my ignore list. If I see someone quote something an ignored person said that seems intelligent and I can no longer remember what it was that landed them on my ignore list, then I will take them off ignore to see if maybe a productive discussion is possible. Most people last at least several days if not weeks. Derf lasted less than a day. If it is possible at all to have a coherent discuss with the guy, it is certainly not worth the effort it requires to discover how to make it happen. All he wants is to sound intellectual and to pretend like he's a thinker. I refuse to give him a stage to play on.
I've gone back through and reread my comments concerning what could potentially happen that would end up causing someone to choose to reject God after their natural death. It is all quite completely clear. Derf wants to make irrational connections and then to pretend his fantasies have something to do with what I said. I won't play that game. The long and short of it is that no one is going to be forced to go to heaven if they don't want to go there. How can that be a complicated thing to understand? It can't! The only way you miss the point is if you are trying to miss it.
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First of all this is not a television show. I can literally spend hours typing posts and, in fact, I used to do exactly that day after day after day. I'd repeat myself dozens of times and would write near identical posts to more than one person. I'd bet that I've committed 10,000 hours to writing detailed, substantive posts that directly respond to any and every point any lunatic wanted to make.
NO LONGER!!!!
If someone wants to be substantive then AWESOME!!!! I'll spend all day long writing as much as I can write in response to nearly anything they want to discuss, but I will not have my time intentionally wasted any longer. If someone wants to be obtuse, whether its intentional or not, then they can go waste someone else's time. I've got better things to do.
Derf
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Even if that was your point, it suggested other points, as no belief stands alone. I apologize for sounding too intelligent, but I enjoy your posts and the conclusions you reach, and I want to see where they logically lead. It's a shame you have such little patience with people who you have the potential to influence. Many people are influenced by what we say, even if they don't appear to be immediately.
My wife had a friend who was adamantly against some things she had told her. They lost contact for a few years, then ran into each other. The friend was telling others the exact things she had eschewed before. We don't know the influence we might have, or how the Holy Spirit might be working in someone else using us.
And you might be either party in a similar scenario, if you'll humbly let the Holy Spirit speak to you or through you, or both.
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you accuse MAD of never "teach its tenets clearly and openly and plainly"
what kind of dead \ death are you talking about ?
what kind of death are they worthy of ?
are they already dead ?
if someone is made spiritually alive they continue on
spiritually alive in heaven for eternity
in a resurrected new incorruptible body
if someone is spiritually dead when they die the continue on
spiritually dead for eternity in hell
first death separation
Gen 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."
alive yet dead
Mat 8:22 And Jesus said to him, "Follow me, and leave the dead to bury their own dead."
dead yet alive
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God
dead and alive
Luk 16:22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried,
Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.