Lifting & Fasting

Nick M

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Attia did a piece once about his personal experience with keto, he said it took him 18 months to regain his strength
Whoever this is…is lying or leaving out details of the diet. We didn’t eat carbs in history from creation until the industrial revolution like we do know. We ate in summer when food was plentiful and at the harvest. Insulin exists to get us through winter by storing carbs as fat.

Speaking of which let me help those confused. A body might have 1000-1500 calories if glycogen in it stored, 100,000 calories of fat stored. Americans today is even more as we overload our system. Fat is the preferred energy source.
 

Idolater

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Whoever this is…is lying or leaving out details of the diet.
I doubt it, the guy's nothing if not analytical. He's the type to meticulously record every data point every day.

Besides it comports with the sports of bodybuilding and power lifting. Elite lifters all consume tons of carbs.

iow there aren't any elite lifters who don't consume tons of carbs.

But it specifically is when they're building strength and muscle. When they're cutting, especially bodybuilders for a competition, that's when they'll cut carbs way down, trying to lose fat and glycogen (glycogen binds water and both of them add to a "puffy" look as opposed to the "shredded" thing they're going for).
We didn’t eat carbs in history from creation until the industrial revolution like we do know. We ate in summer when food was plentiful and at the harvest. Insulin exists to get us through winter by storing carbs as fat.
Yeah granted that's one of most important anabolic (tissue building) things insulin does.
Speaking of which let me help those confused. A body might have 1000-1500 calories if glycogen in it stored, 100,000 calories of fat stored. Americans today is even more as we overload our system. Fat is the preferred energy source.
Oh 100,000 fat calories easily. A pound of fat is c. 4000 calories so 100k is c. 25 LBS of body fat.

For a 250 LB person that's only 10% body fat which is very lean (for men) and for a person who weighs 166 LBS that's 15% bodyfat, which isn't very much (it's near unhealthy for women). Most obese people have over 30% body fat, so 300,000 stored fat calories is closer to normal.

On the topic here's a formula I use to determine my own body fat, using a tape measure:

The US Navy Method: (units, inches)

86.01 x [ log10 ( (abdomen circumference) -(neck circumference) ) ] - 70.041 x [ log10 ( height ) ] + 36.76

You need a spreadsheet or an advanced calculator to get log10.
This estimates your percent body fat, based on your gut, your neck, and your height. Combine it with your body mass to calculate how many pounds of fat you're hauling around.
 

Nick M

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I doubt it, the guy's nothing if not analytical.
I can appreciate it and know the type. But some still bend the knee and lie for the gain of big pharma, which is part of the Beast not yet revealed. Sometimes.

Look how long Mike Pence waited to reveal he is a liar and a child of the devil. But that is off point. The facts of nutrition and insulin remain. It is a fat storage hormone.
 

Nick M

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iow there aren't any elite lifters who don't consume tons of carbs.

But it specifically is when they're building strength and muscle. When they're cutting, especially bodybuilders for a competition,
Good point and I was off point in thinking of body builders specifically.
 

Idolater

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I can appreciate it and know the type. But some still bend the knee and lie for the gain of big pharma, which is part of the Beast not yet revealed. Sometimes.

Look how long Mike Pence waited to reveal he is a liar and a child of the devil. But that is off point. The facts of nutrition and insulin remain. It is a fat storage hormone.
Yes. It also protects your organs from too much blood sugar. It's amazing that sugar is literally so toxic to us that if we don't have functioning insulin (diabetes or insulin resistance) then we will die because our tissues will be destroyed by sugar. People lose limbs, eyes, etc. To sugar! Not to smoking, but to sweets.
 

Nick M

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Yes. It also protects your organs from too much blood sugar
By converting it into fat. It isn't a bad design. The world was made in 6 days and there were no refrigerators. The harvest was a time to fatten up before winter when food is scarce. We don't need to do that now, nor eat 6 times a day.
 

Idolater

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By converting it into fat. It isn't a bad design. The world was made in 6 days and there were no refrigerators. The harvest was a time to fatten up before winter when food is scarce. We don't need to do that now, nor eat 6 times a day.
Right. Although I will say that it's pretty remarkable that you could store up enough nutrition in adipose tissue to go without food for months. I mentioned before, a guy who fasted for 55 days; but the World record holder went for literally over a year without eating anything. He transformed from a blob, into a man by not eating anything for over a year straight.

Can you imagine having an army go to war and not need food? By itself it wouldn't win every battle, but it would be an advantage over your enemy to not have to feed your troops, but he still has to feed his.
 

Nick M

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Attia did a piece once about his personal experience with keto, he said it took him 18 months to regain his strength in the weight room from the lack of carbohydrates in his diet.
I don't know who it is. I have learned people lie about it, to include selling their information and products. If you don't have body fat, you do need more fuel.
 

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Can you imagine having an army go to war and not need food?
No. And I have no issue with what I saw deployed. Cases and cases of food with a shelf life, like muffins and Pop tarts. And apples and bananas. It is for the men on 12 hour dismounted patrols. The only issue is the false information about what is going on. And people who don't go door to door don't need it, and eat it anyway.
 

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One other thing that I have learned in the last 10 years is that glucose metabolism and fat burning are two different things. Metabolism should not be discussed when you're talking about fat burning.
 

Idolater

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One other thing that I have learned in the last 10 years is that glucose metabolism and fat burning are two different things. Metabolism should not be discussed when you're talking about fat burning.
I understand metabolism very broadly to be the sum of anabolism (tissue building) and catabolism (tissue diminishing), such that, at caloric balance (maintenance of body mass diet), the sum is zero, you build the same amount of tissue that you diminish.

The worst way to maintain your body weight is to diminish your muscle tissue, but build up your fat tissue to make up for it, so that your body weight doesn't change, but your body composition got fatter, you just didn't see it happening on the scale.

100% fasting

(iow truly 0 calories of nutrition, meaning only things like water and black coffee or tea are permitted)

is 100% catabolic. It's only tissue dimishing, with no tissue building. It's the fastest way no pun intended, to catabolically shrink your body fat or adipose tissue. The thing is it's a little bit severe, and your body likes to recover from the stress of fasting in something that resembles gluttony, so you have to be careful on the other end, when you break out of the fast. Because once you break your fast and start eating again, if you exceed your maintenance calories just for the day, you're still going to go right back to building up fat tissue, or adipose tissue anabolism. Even though you just came off a fast where you're "eating" a 2000-calorie deficit diet for days on end, you still might be interested in overeating, even though all it's going to do, once it takes care of your body today, it will store all the extra for your body tomorrow. As fat.

So be careful with fasting for fat loss, but if you're going to try it, then consider the findings in this thread, and strength train, so that you don't lose strength. You'll lose muscle mass (catabolic), that's inevitable, but strength loss isn't, because strength is a function of both neorology and muscularity, you're going to lose muscularity on a fast (muscle catabolism), but you can even gain strength neurologically, if you're a beginner or even a new intermediate to weight training, and maybe even more advanced.

Use very high weights

(very low rep range, 1-3 or 1-4; experiment to see which one for you personally; it could also be 1-5 or even 1-10–although 1-10's unlikely–again depending on your own body; bodies vary).

This means you're not going to be doing many reps, and you don't even have to do many sets either. It's not going to take a lot of time. All you have to do is maintain strength. Maintenance training volume, iow.
 
I've recently started trying to get myself back in shape again. My arms are looking too skinny for my beer belly. I've been mostly training for upper body strength with a friend of mine but I don't have my own weights anymore so I'm wondering if anyone knows a decent alternative to shoulder presses that I could be doing at home. (I don't have a chin up bar either. :( )

I could also use some good diet advice. Should I be trying to completely eliminate carbs? Im not really into jogging or biking or anything like that. Just lifting. I'm also thinking about cooking with lard now instead of vegetable oil. I don't know anyone who has ever tried that before so Im not so sure about it...I know some people who do fasting and they say it works wonders but I have never tried that before either.

I'm 6'2", 178lbs with a slight to medium sized beer belly.
 
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Also another thing maybe worth mentions is that I feel completely dead tired the next day after a workout. I dont remember it being this way when I was younger. Not sure if thats good, bad normal or what. Maybe from poor diet? Any advice would be appreciated. :D
 
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