Derf
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By looking into as many avenues of fraud as possible. Are you suggesting they don’t check to see if ballots are forged? Why not?
Maricopa county ballot audit begins today
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annabenedetti
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Are you suggesting every ballot in every election should be checked by a partisan conspiracy theory-driven private company to see if ballots are forged? Why not?
Dejected, depressed, sour puss democrats see nothing but harm coming from extensive investigative efforts to prove democrats did not commit voter fraud.
Why investigate the elections processes called into question by millions of Americans? Because such investigations will harm nobody and government officials are supposed to follow the will of the people.
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Derf
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I can see why you won’t answer my question—since you have to try to make it sound ridiculous. You know there’s evidence of fraud, just like I do.
annabenedetti
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No I don't know - or believe - there is fraud, or evidence of fraud.
Frankly, anyone who does believe there was fraud is nuts.
ok doser
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Then when the investigation is concluded, you'll be happy to find that there is no fraud or evidence of fraud, yes?
Derf
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So you're saying that about a third of people who voted are nuts. Based on what? Just you're idea of what it takes to be nuts? Fortunately for most people (probably including you), you aren't the standard for sanity.
annabenedetti
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Rep. Liz Cheney vowed Tuesday evening not to remain silent as former President Donald Trump continues to spread lies that the election was stolen from him, striking a defiant tone ahead of an expected vote to remove her from House Republican leadership on Wednesday.
The Wyoming Republican struck a defiant tone on Tuesday evening ahead of the vote, which is all but assured to end in her removal as GOP conference chair after her continued criticisms of Trump. She declared that she would not join with other leaders who ignore Trump's lies, emboldening him and threatening democracy.
"We must speak the truth. Our election was not stolen. And America has not failed," Cheney said.
"Every one of us who has sworn the oath must act to prevent the unraveling of our democracy. This is not about policy. This is not about partisanship. This is about our duty as Americans. Remaining silent and ignoring the lie emboldens the liar," Cheney said. "I will not sit back and watch in silence while others lead our party down a path that abandons the rule of law and joins the former President's crusade to undermine our democracy."
The Wyoming Republican struck a defiant tone on Tuesday evening ahead of the vote, which is all but assured to end in her removal as GOP conference chair after her continued criticisms of Trump. She declared that she would not join with other leaders who ignore Trump's lies, emboldening him and threatening democracy.
"We must speak the truth. Our election was not stolen. And America has not failed," Cheney said.
"Every one of us who has sworn the oath must act to prevent the unraveling of our democracy. This is not about policy. This is not about partisanship. This is about our duty as Americans. Remaining silent and ignoring the lie emboldens the liar," Cheney said. "I will not sit back and watch in silence while others lead our party down a path that abandons the rule of law and joins the former President's crusade to undermine our democracy."
Sadly, leftist fruitcakes really do believe the democrat lie that they did not commit voter fraud, so they damn those who try to investigate to see if they are telling the truth.
Sadly, Ms Cheney is dead wrong. It is not uncommon to find famous people espousing stupid ideas which are completely wrong.
Derf
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It's easy, and perhaps true, for someone who won an election to say "our election was not stolen". Cheney is currently enjoying the fruits of an election she won (and it probably wasn't stolen from someone else). But remaining silent about the unraveling of our democracy (republic, anyone??) when it was turned into something else is just as bad. It works both ways--Cheney and some others want to stand up for truth by backing Biden's fake win, and others want to stand up for truth by finding out the truth. I'll hold out hope for the latter's success.
The rule of law was abolished in several steps, starting whenever man's laws were elevated above God's. Because man's law can only persevere until the next man is in power. You can't uphold some nebulous idea of rule of law by ignoring infractions against it, no matter how high up the chain the infractions come from.
Arthur Brain
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Sounds like she was right on the button as to how Trump and his team were going to react when the results weren't going their way. Okay, not a difficult prediction to make as it was hardly surprising that Trump was gonna cry foul when results started going towards Biden hours after he'd foolishly claimed victory only a few hours after the first results were coming in. He and his entire administration and legal team were surely aware of what was likely to happen, it was forecast over major news outlets that Biden was likely to eat into Trump's lead and in several states overtake. Sure enough, that's what happened.
Where does Clinton say that Biden was going to get desperately needed help? He didn't need it at all. He won by the same "landslide" margin that Trump did in 2016.
Your next soundbite is silly, tritely predictable but silly all the same.
The only vehement denial is from those who are still going on about baseless election fraud six months down the line. The words of Philadelphia's mayor Jim Kenney can be applied to plenty of Trump's supporters as well as Trump. Oh, and what happens in America doesn't solely concern America so it's not unreasonable to hope for someone suited for office instead of a narcissistic reality TV star...
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annabenedetti
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Again from Liz Cheney:
The Electoral College has voted. More than 60 state and federal courts, including multiple judges the former president appointed, have rejected his claims. The Trump Department of Justice investigated the former president's claims of widespread fraud and found no evidence to support them.
The election is over. That is the rule of law. That is our constitutional process. Those who refuse to accept the rulings of our courts are at war with the Constitution. Our duty is clear. Every one of us who has sworn the oath must act to prevent the unraveling of our democracy.
Right now an inexperienced, first-timer in the ballot-audit realm private contractor led by someone who already believes the AZ vote was fraudulent is on a mad confirmation bias hunt to prove himself right. He won't, and then what will the legions of MAGA do next?
What you do here: pretend that Liz Cheney isn't herself speaking up for truth. Anything else won't fit your narrative. What will you do when you find out Liz Cheney was actually indeed speaking up for truth?
Deluded demonic voter-frauding democrats: 'We predicted Trump would not accept the election results because he is such an evil, selfish, unreasonable excuse of a man. Everyone who is sane and worthy of respect knows for a fack that democrats are the most intelligent, honest, and trustworthy politicians in the country and would never commit voter fraud.'
Democrats: 'Damn those white conservatives who refuse to honor the results of the most honest, fair, and transparent election ever held. Those Trump followers need to be locked up or reeducated to keep them from spreading lies and disinformation about our fantastic, hard-working, intelligent, conscientious, and unbiased democrat precinct rulers.'
Derf
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It’s not pretending to question whether someone is speaking the truth. Neither is it a hard thing if the question is decided in her favor, since due diligence will have been done with a real audit.
On the other hand, pretending that nothing odd happened in an election where an unpopular shadow of a man got more votes than anyone ever has before, while losing ground in almost all demographics, is not how one should follow the rule of law, but is of something either sinister or mad (as you like to say).
While I’m certain those behind the steal were sinister, I’m left with the other choice for you, in giving you the benefit of the doubt.
annabenedetti
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This makes no sense. Again: you choose to believe Liz Cheney is not standing up for truth.
Define a "real audit" by Cyber Ninjas, a partisan, unexperienced, private company led by a conspiracy theorist who believes the election was stolen.
Explain why you don't believe more people voted for someone they wanted in office than voted for someone you wanted in office.
Nothing odd happened. As has been underlined by "The Electoral College has voted. More than 60 state and federal courts, including multiple judges the former president appointed, have rejected his claims. The Trump Department of Justice investigated the former president's claims of widespread fraud and found no evidence to support them."
You're looking for a unicorn. There is no unicorn.
Cheney unwisely fell under the lying leftist democrat propagandist spell claiming their voter fraud never happened.
Arthur Brain
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Well, that had nothing to do with what I posted and was just the usual, over the top hyperbole that's nothing much in itself.