Oh No Not Another Apocalypse Thread By Chrysostom

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I just want to talk about the topic of this thread.
The Apocalypse.
The topic of the thread was my entire point! I wasn't changing the subject!

Whether one is discussing eschatology or soteriology or any other aspect of doctrine, the issue can only be rightly discussed dispensationally. That's why I said what I said. The errors that compound one upon another into a mountain of disinformation and false teaching is a wonder to behold when people pick a pet topic and start diving into it without giving a single thought as to who the passages that they are reading were written to or about.

You read Moses' writing and know that you need not apply what he wrote to your own life directly. The principles hold but the specifics relate to a group that you know intuitively that you're not a part of. But as soon as you start into anything at all in the New Testament, you just assume without cause, that it all is speaking directly to you as a believer. This is in spite of the fact that there isn't any way to do that in a consistent manner.

In short, because you fail to rightly divide the word of truth, nearly every syllable you've said on this thread about the Apocalypes is either flatly false or falsely applied or both. Indeed, much of what you've said here doesn't even qualify as orthodox Christianity by anyone's standard (i.e. dispensational or otherwise).
 
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He said it within the context of His command to "Keep my commandments if you love Me."
Matthew 23

1Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.


This is usually where I go when a hypocrite (Jesus follower) states he is born again and does everything right. X is full of Christians and Catholics that do not move off of their position even after being shown the truth of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Which is why he was so harsh. And later Paul in his letters, or what Luke wrote in Acts.
 

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It doesn't matter who wrote it or to whom it was written. You should be able to connect what is being prophesied to history if it has already been fulfilled. That is what I am trying to do.
 

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At the start of the Byzantine Empire, a Christian empire that would last a thousand years, the Roman Empire had seven dynasties. At the end Islam had ten dynasties. The beast with seven heads and ten horns.
More pieces that fit.
The Byzantine Empire has all the pieces.
A thousand years
A reign with Christ - reign of Christ not found in bible
A beast with seven heads - Rome
A beast with ten horns - Islam
A great city - Constantinople - the whore
How many pieces do you need?
Many waters and merchants, seven hills, mystery, fallen, found no more????
They are all there.
 

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Where does is say kingdom?
Are you completely unfamiliar with most of the Bible?

Are you unaware that Jesus is the KING of that KINGDOM?

Ever hear of the gospel of the KINGDOM?

Rev 1:9 (AKJV/PCE)​
(1:9) I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.​

John knew about it!
 

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More pieces that fit.
The Byzantine Empire has all the pieces.
A thousand years
Nope... a thousand one hundred and twenty six years is NOT a thousand years.
A reign with Christ - reign of Christ not found in bible
That is retarded. Reigning WITH Christ means that Christ is reigning.

Rev 20:6 (AKJV/PCE)​
(20:6) Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
A beast with seven heads - Rome
A beast with ten horns - Islam
A great city - Constantinople - the whore
All silly conjecture without a shred of actual Biblical support.
How many pieces do you need?
More than zero.
 

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I am not building an ark.

Why not?

According to you:

It doesn't matter who wrote it or to whom it was written.

So then of it doesn't matter who wrote it or to whom it was written to, then why aren't you building an ark? God said to build an Ark:

Make yourself an ark of gopherwood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and outside with pitch. And this is how you shall make it: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. You shall make a window for the ark, and you shall finish it to a cubit from above; and set the door of the ark in its side. You shall make it with lower, second, and third decks.
 

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It doesn't matter who wrote it or to whom it was written. You should be able to connect what is being prophesied to history if it has already been fulfilled. That is what I am trying to do.
If you fail to rightly divide, you'll be looking for fulfilled prophecies where that definitely do not exist. You are a text book example of exact that. It is NOT POSSIBLE for a syllable of John's prophecies to have been fulfilled - period.
 
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