Roy Moore: America Was 'Great' During 'Slavery'

[jgarden]

Roy Moore: America Was 'Great' During 'Slavery'

Roy Moore, the Alabama Senate candidate under fire for alleged sexual misconduct with teenage girls when he was in his 30s, apparently believes America was a better place when slavery was still a thing. Roy Moore, the Alabama Senate candidate under fire for alleged sexual misconduct with teenage girls when he was in his 30s, apparently believes America was a better place when slavery was still legal.

At a campaign event earlier this year, an audience member asked Moore for his opinion on when the last time America was "great." Moore responded: "I think it was great at the time when families were united—even though we had slavery—they cared for one another…. Our families were strong, our country had a direction." The individual who asked the question was among the only African-Americans in attendance at the rally. In stating this, Moore seemingly implied he'd be able to overlook the enslavement of other human beings as long as families are "united," an interesting perspective from a man accused of repeatedly preying on young girls.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/roy-moore-last-time-america-234233620.html

Apparently "the gold old days" when America was Great, in Judge Moore's opinion, included slavery, where millions of innocent individuals, based on the color of their skin, were relegated to lives of bondage where they were considered to be no better than "property"

It would be asking too much for Moore to consider the "family life" of slaves - who were routinely sold without any thought given as to the separation of families!

 

[Gary K]

Apparently "the gold old days" when America was Great, in Judge Moore's opinion, included slavery, where millions of innocent individuals, based on the color of their skin, were relegated to lives of bondage where they were considered to be no better than "property"

It would be asking too much for Moore to consider the "family life" of slaves - who were routinely sold without any thought given as to the separation of families!

Wow. You might try being honest with another person's words. Moore did not say that slavery was great. He said the times were great because of strong families and the nation having a consensus on direction. He said that was what made the country great at that time, even if slavery did exist at that time. That is not an endorsement of slavery, and you know it.

 

[SUTG]

As ffreeloader said, this is some pretty weak tea. Whenever an article says that someone "seemingly" "implied" that they "would" be able to overlook something, you know there is some serious editorializing going on.

 

[The Horn]

Moore's statement is still mind-bogglingly idiotic . No, there was never a time in America when everything was hunky dory and everybody lived with intact families and there was no divorce, adultery, sex before or outside of marriage, no homosexuality, no abortions ,
everybody was chaste and virtuous , no pornography , everybody went to church on Sunday and lived happily ever after .
Even if the accusations against Moore are false, he is still totally unfit to be a US senator, a judge or serve in any position of authority and responsibility . He is the worst and most dangerous kind of politician - a theocrat . If you can;t keep your religion out of your politics, you shouldn't be running for any kind of political office let alone US senator or be any kind of judge, let alone chief justice of a state .
Moore is so bigoted against gay people he thinks homosexual sex should be illegal and has compared it to bestiality . He thinks the first amendment applies only to Christians ! and thinks no Muslim should be allowed to become a politician and is also an Anti-Semite .
He ha absolutely no regard for the rights of anyone who is not a heterosexual evangelical Christian . He has blamed violence and lawlessness committed by some young Americans on teaching
evolution in schools, which means he is a complete and utter imbecile .
If I lived in Alabama I wouldn't vote for him is someone offered me a million dollars !

 

[kmoney]

Wow. You might try being honest with another person's words. Moore did not say that slavery was great. He said the times were great because of strong families and the nation having a consensus on direction. He said that was what made the country great at that time, even if slavery did exist at that time. That is not an endorsement of slavery, and you know it.

The "even though" makes it clear that he wasn't saying slavery was part of the greatness, but it's still pretty bad that he can overlook slavery and say that was the time we were last great. Whatever good we had doesn't wipe out the horrors of slavery.

 

[Gary K]

Moore's statement is still mind-bogglingly idiotic . No, there was never a time in America when everything was hunky dory and everybody lived with intact families and there was no divorce, adultery, sex before or outside of marriage, no homosexuality, no abortions ,
everybody was chaste and virtuous , no pornography , everybody went to church on Sunday and lived happily ever after .
Even if the accusations against Moore are false, he is still totally unfit to be a US senator, a judge or serve in any position of authority and responsibility . He is the worst and most dangerous kind of politician - a theocrat . If you can;t keep your religion out of your politics, you shouldn't be running for any kind of political office let alone US senator or be any kind of judge, let alone chief justice of a state .
Moore is so bigoted against gay people he thinks homosexual sex should be illegal and has compared it to bestiality . He thinks the first amendment applies only to Christians ! and thinks no Muslim should be allowed to become a politician and is also an Anti-Semite .
He ha absolutely no regard for the rights of anyone who is not a heterosexual evangelical Christian . He has blamed violence and lawlessness committed by some young Americans on teaching
evolution in schools, which means he is a complete and utter imbecile .
If I lived in Alabama I wouldn't vote for him is someone offered me a million dollars !

You're being no more honest with Roy Moore's words that jgarden was. Roy Moore never said that the US was perfect, and that none of those things existed. What his words imply is that there was a time when all the moral ills that you listed were much less of a factor than they are now within our society. And that is very true. Our nation once had a moral character. It was once a decidedly Christian nation. Not a theocracy, but having a solid foundation in Christian principles within its people. As evidence of this I would point you to Alexis de Toqueville's two volume book, Democracy in America. It was upon this foundation that this country was built. The Pilgrims brought advanced political ideals and religious freedom ideals to the US, and that is the foundation of our Constitution. And, our system of law was built upon Blackstone's ideas of law, which are decidedly Christian, until the early 1900s. Then we started moving away from those ideals through the influence of the court system and supreme court rulings moving us towards a completely secular society.

You need to study the history of the US. I would also recommend that you read popular literature, novels, from back in the late 1800s and very early 1900s. What you will find is that there is a highly moral and decidedly Christian influence in the vast majority of it. There is a lot of it available through Project Gutenberg for free. I've downloaded and read a few hundred books from that time period and the difference between today's literature and then is in stark contrast. The values taught are in direct opposition to each other.

 

[Gary K]

The "even though" makes it clear that he wasn't saying slavery was part of the greatness, but it's still pretty bad that he can overlook slavery and say that was the time we were last great. Whatever good we had doesn't wipe out the horrors of slavery.

That Moore put the "even though" in there says he wasn't ignoring slavery. He was saying that in spite of slavery's existence there was much that was great about the US back then. I agree with him, and I agree with Abraham Lincoln who said, If slavery isn't wrong, then nothing is wrong.

 

[kmoney]

That Moore put the "even though" in there says he wasn't ignoring slavery. He was saying that in spite of slavery's existence there was much that was great about the US back then. I agree with him, and I agree with Abraham Lincoln who said, If slavery isn't wrong, then nothing is wrong.

Saying America wasn't great during slavery doesn't mean that there was NOTHING good or great about the country at the time. It simply means that slavery was a moral failing significant enough that we shouldn't reminisce about them as the 'good ole days'. How callous would that sound to black people? "Hey, slavery wasn't good but overall we were pretty great". :nono:

 

[Gary K]

Saying America wasn't great during slavery doesn't mean that there was NOTHING good or great about the country at the time. It simply means that slavery was a moral failing significant enough that we shouldn't reminisce about them as the 'good ole days'. How callous would that sound to black people? "Hey, slavery wasn't good but overall we were pretty great". :nono:

This, where you're at, is where we get when we go politically correct. It is now forbidden, by people like you, to acknowledge that there were things that were great about the US even though slavery existed. Political correctness says we must not acknowledge truth because truth might hurt someone's feelings. I say, say what? Truth stands on its own. It is worth saying. Just because we acknowledge what was good doesn't mean we don't acknowledge what was wrong too. Only politically correct ideologues insist upon denying what was good because something wrong also existed at the same time.

I have to tell you, I hate political correctness with a passion. Its main purpose is to elimate truth.

 

[kmoney]

This, where you're at, is where we get when we go politically correct. It is now forbidden, by people like you, to acknowledge that there were things that were great about the US even though slavery existed.

I think you need to read my post again. I specifically said that saying we weren't great doesn't mean there was NOTHING good. It doesn't mean that ALL was bad.

 

[Gary K]

I think you need to read my post again. I specifically said that saying we weren't great doesn't mean there was NOTHING good. It doesn't mean that ALL was bad.

Come on kmoney, your entire thread is dedicated to the proposition that Roy Moore was out of line to say anything good about the US during the time slavery existed is because doing so might hurt someone's feelings. Don't pretend that it isn't. Your entire theme is based upon political correctness. It is the heart and soul of your denouncement of what Moore said.

 

[kmoney]

Come on kmoney, your entire thread is dedicated to the proposition that Roy Moore was out of line to say anything good about the US during the time slavery existed is because doing so might hurt someone's feelings. Don't pretend that it isn't. Your entire theme is based upon political correctness. It is the heart and soul of your denouncement of what Moore said.

This isn't my thread. It is true that I criticize Moore's comments though. But no, it isn't because he said anything good about the US. What I criticize is being willing to look past slavery enough that he can be nostalgic about that time period being the last time we were great. I don't really see how that's being politically correct.

 

[Gary K]

This isn't my thread. It is true that I criticize Moore's comments though. But no, it isn't because he said anything good about the US. What I criticize is being willing to look past slavery enough that he can be nostalgic about that time period being the last time we were great. I don't really see how that's being politically correct.

Sorry. I had forgotten who started the thread.

I guess you need to study up on US history then. There was a great deal about this country that was great. If there hadn't been the US would have never grown to become the number one economy in the world and the one place on earth the rest of world wanted to emigrate to so they could have the opportunity for a better life for them and their children. When you can't see enough of our history to acknowledge these things, then something is out of whack, at least in my book.

The US has had a steady stream of legal immigrants ever since our days as a colony of the British empire. And when we became a soveriegn nation that flow of immigrants increased. There is a reason for that. And that reason is because this nation was, in the eyes of the world, the best place to live on this planet, in spite of slavery.

 

[kmoney]

Sorry. I had forgotten who started the thread.

I guess you need to study up on US history then.

Or, different people evaluate greatness differently.

 

[WizardofOz]

Or, different people evaluate greatness differently.

No kidding. How about August 15th, 1945? That's a bit more recent and we certainly were great.

 

[Gary K]

No kidding. How about August 15th, 1945? That's a bit more recent and we certainly were great.

Yeah, saving an estimated million American and Japanese lives is just obscene. That is so evil it's hard to comprehend.

 

[jgarden]

You're being no more honest with Roy Moore's words that jgarden was. Roy Moore never said that the US was perfect, and that none of those things existed. What his words imply is that there was a time when all the moral ills that you listed were much less of a factor than they are now within our society. And that is very true. Our nation once had a moral character. It was once a decidedly Christian nation. Not a theocracy, but having a solid foundation in Christian principles within its people. As evidence of this I would point you to Alexis de Toqueville's two volume book, Democracy in America. It was upon this foundation that this country was built. The Pilgrims brought advanced political ideals and religious freedom ideals to the US, and that is the foundation of our Constitution. And, our system of law was built upon Blackstone's ideas of law, which are decidedly Christian, until the early 1900s. Then we started moving away from those ideals through the influence of the court system and supreme court rulings moving us towards a completely secular society.

You need to study the history of the US. I would also recommend that you read popular literature, novels, from back in the late 1800s and very early 1900s. What you will find is that there is a highly moral and decidedly Christian influence in the vast majority of it. There is a lot of it available through Project Gutenberg for free. I've downloaded and read a few hundred books from that time period and the difference between today's literature and then is in stark contrast. The values taught are in direct opposition to each other.

"Freeloader" is condemned by his own words - what purpose does a Constitution based on "advanced political ideals" and "religious freedom ideals" serve if it denies them to millions of individuals based on the color of their skin?

Unfortunately "... our system of law was built upon Blackstone's ideas of law, which are decidedly Christian, until the early 1900's" was all based on the assumption that only "white" Americans were deserving of the freedoms outlined in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights!

Southern "high morals,"Christian principles" and "strong united families" were all "window dressing" to camouflage a sinister reality - that their whole way of life was based on the core belief that God had put those with a darker complexion on earth to live in "bondage!"

 

[Ktoyou]

If I lived in Alabama I wouldn't vote for him is someone offered me a million dollars !

Baloney! For a million dollars you would be willing to spend an Alabama winter living with the pigs in a pigpen.

Even if you care more about other people, you would do it for them, while far the majority of persons would keep the majority of the money.

If you refused to do it, then you would have to be very rich, or very selfish, and belong in the pigpen anyway.:mmph:

I do agree to some degree about Roy Moore, but it cannot follow the same reasoning, because you are a :loser: :troll:

 

[Gary K]

- The Pilgrims brought advanced political ideals and religious freedom ideals to the US, and that is the foundation of our Constitution. And, our system of law was built upon Blackstone's ideas of law, which are decidedly Christian, until the early 1900s.

Apparently those "advan

Yes???? Sorry, I recognize something went wrong with your post. Just couldn't help but kidding you a little.

 

[Rusha]

If I lived in Alabama I wouldn't vote for him is someone offered me a million dollars !

Nor would I ... though if I did have a million dollars, I would relocate to a *truly* great country until such a time that decency and moral leadership replaces what we are currently stuck with here in the USA.