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[Dan Emanuel]

A bishop is a pastor...

Correct.

...Someone that pastors a church is a bishop...

Some who pastor a church are bishop's, and some are presbyter's. Bishop's are hierarchically superior to presbyter's (and to deacon's), because it take's a bishop to ordain a presbyter (or a deacon). Presbyter's cannot ordain presbyter's or deacon's.

...These Bishops not preaching from the apocrypha as divinely inspired was their part in them being removed.

They're were no bishop's "not preaching from the [Greek Old Testament] as divinely inspired." They're were no bishop's involved in that. Martin Luther was a presbyter.


Daniel

 

[HisServant]

Correct.
Some who pastor a church are bishop's, and some are presbyter's. Bishop's are hierarchically superior to presbyter's (and to deacon's), because it take's a bishop to ordain a presbyter (or a deacon). Presbyter's cannot ordain presbyter's or deacon's.
They're were no bishop's "not preaching from the [Greek Old Testament] as divinely inspired." They're were no bishop's involved in that. Martin Luther was a presbyter.


Daniel

That is the anglican understanding... and the bias that is present in the KJV.

I've always held that in the Hebrew and Greek, the same word is used in most instances that were arbitrarily translated due to the politics of the Anglican church.

Bishop, elder and pastor seem to be interchangeable in the early languages with the slight difference being their gifts which do not have any bearing on their primacy.

 

[Dan Emanuel]

The ONLY reason they split was the Pope would not give Henry another annulment or divorce so he could marry another.

I think that the proximate cause is the idea the Divine Right of King's, which developed out of the Reformation.


Daniel

 

[Dan Emanuel]

That is the anglican understanding... and the bias that is present in the KJV.

I've always held that in the Hebrew and Greek, the same word is used in most instances that were arbitrarily translated due to the politics of the Anglican church.

Bishop, elder and pastor seem to be interchangeable in the early languages with the slight difference being their gifts which do not have any bearing on their primacy.

The development of the Church hierarchy began early, and it make's sense that not just any presbyter could ordain new presbyter's, doesn't it? They're must have been a hierarchy in order for someone to ordain new presbyter's. And when local church's got too large to meet and take communion and celebrate the Mass all in 1 place together, they're arose a need for pastor's of these smaller parish's, who all are subject to the supreme pastor of the given area, the bishop.


Daniel

 

[HisServant]

I think that the proximate cause is the idea the Divine Right of King's, which developed out of the Reformation.


Daniel

That was developed through Roman Catholicism... the reformation was pretty much anti royalty and there were notes in the margins of the Geneva Bible that called into question the divine rights of royalty. King James hated that the Geneva Bible with such a passion that it was a driving force in his order for his own translation of the bible and prohibited any notes in the margins that would question the divine rights of kings.

 

[HisServant]

The development of the Church hierarchy began early, and it make's sense that not just any presbyter could ordain new presbyter's, doesn't it? They're must have been a hierarchy in order for someone to ordain new presbyter's. And when local church's got too large to meet and take communion and celebrate the Mass all in 1 place together, they're arose a need for pastor's of these smaller parish's, who all are subject to the supreme pastor of the given area, the bishop.


Daniel

This kind of removes the Holy Spirits involvement in the church and places it squarely in the realm of politics... which is why it has been so messed up over the centuries.

I've always maintained that the congregation has always had the right to give and take away authority according to the leading of the Holy Spirit. Even when the original apostles appointed elders and sent them to different congregations they always gave the congregation the task to examine them and possibly refuse them if they were unacceptable.

It all comes down to the servant leader example that Christ and the Apostles... along with the command to never lord their authority over anyone.