ECT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH & DOCTRINAL AUTHORITY: Three Sources
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Aimiel
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I'm sorry you feel that gives you reason to celebrate, but I made myself of no reputation by design. It makes it easier for me to bring you His Truth. I must decrease and He must increase.
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Your answer just isn't reaching to where the Truth is. The Truth inhabits my members. He imparts His Gifts as He wills in my life. He walks with me and talks with me. I wouldn't trade that for all the property the RCC owns.
Your brief and ignorant answers have done nothing to refute the Truth that I have shared with you. It has only displayed the fact that you're completely brainwashed by your cult. If I wanted to know what the RCC has to say, I'd re-read the catechism. It's your beliefs and faith that I'm interested in sparking. Yours is dead, because you follow the dead. I would like to be able to wake up your dead bones. LIVE!!!
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"Truth" = "the assumptions and opinions that Aimiel has derived from his chosen man-made non-Catholic sect"
Aimiel
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I don't assume. I study, meditate and listen to The Lord; and I don't follow men. I follow Christ. That makes one of us.
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Hey, me too! :thumb:
However, everything you claim to "know" you have learned from men who taught such information as "the truth." In short, both Catholics and non-Catholics follow their particular doctrinal traditions---and you are certainly no exception to that fact.
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Tradition is one of my favorite apostolic doctrines of the Catholic Church...
"So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).
Addressed here. Try again.
If you had held firm to the apostle's tradition we would not have a quarrel with you....but you believe the bishop is to be obeyed as though he were Christ.
No apostle ever taught that.
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It is taught in the following texts, among others:
- Matt. 16:18-19/Is. 22:15-22
- Matt. 28:18-20
- Lk. 10:16
- Ac. 15:6
- Ac. 16:4
- 1 Tim. 3:15
- 1 Jn. 4:6
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...that is, the usurpers of Christ's one historic Catholic Church.
On the contrary. These very biblical texts (and many others) were used by the early Christian Church to support its belief and teaching that the bishops possess precisely the same doctrinal authority as the apostles themselves. Here you're forced to read the assumptions and opinions of your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect into the text of the Bible---as do all of the Protestant (non-Catholic) sects that have sprung up like weeds over the past five centuries.
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revpete
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Right, Apostolic tradition is the Word of God! So, doesn't it follow that in those early days of the church when Christian doctrine was still being formulated, that the tradition the Apostles passed on would have been based on The Word of God?
What then, in your opinion was the source of the tradition if not God's Word?
As for your reference concerning the magisterium; all you have done is quote RC sources to substantiate RC teaching. If I bear record of myself my record is not true.
Pete
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The original post makes me hum a version of the sesame street song (2 of these things are not like the other...)
The bible is a WITNESS to what Jesus did... the Pope and the Magesterium are just men sitting in a room dreaming up things because the Holy Spirit doesn't communicate with them...
The bible is a WITNESS to what Jesus did... the Pope and the Magesterium are just men sitting in a room dreaming up things because the Holy Spirit doesn't communicate with them...
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Tradition is often expressed implicitly in Scripture, sometimes explicitly, and is always in harmony with Scripture, and vice versa.
The source of both Scripture and Tradition (Divine Revelation) is Christ himself, who has delivered it through the authoritative teachings of his one historic Church (Magisterium).
The source I cited is in fact simply a list of biblical texts and patristic quotations.
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republicanchick
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doctrines like this
accept Christ as personal savior (words found NOWHERE in Scipture)
or like this:
Once you have accepted Christ you cannot lose salvation no matter what heinous sin you commit (words found NOWHERE in Sciprutre)
etc... etc
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