drbrumley
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zip, zilch, zero!
The Mueller Report is in. No further indictments.
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drbrumley
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Then I should expect you to be just as irate at the US government meddling in other countries affairs in the same manner....
drbrumley
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The Robert Mueller investigation which monopolized political discourse for two years has finally concluded, and his anxiously awaited report has been submitted to Attorney General William Barr. The results are in and the debate is over: those advancing the conspiracy theory that the Kremlin has infiltrated the highest levels of the US government were wrong, and those of us voicing skepticism of this were right.
The contents of the report are still secret, but CNN’s Justice Department reporter Laura Jarrett has told us all we need to know, tweeting, “Special Counsel Mueller is not recommending ANY further indictments am told.” On top of that, William Barr said in a letter to congressional leaders that there has been no obstruction of Mueller’s investigation by Justice Department officials.
So that’s it, then. A completely unhindered investigation has failed to convict a single American of any kind of conspiracy with the Russian government, and no further indictments are coming. The political/media class which sold rank-and-file Americans on the lie that the Mueller investigation was going to bring down this presidency were liars and frauds, and none of the goalpost-moving that I am sure is already beginning to happen will change that.
Caitlin Johnstone
The contents of the report are still secret, but CNN’s Justice Department reporter Laura Jarrett has told us all we need to know, tweeting, “Special Counsel Mueller is not recommending ANY further indictments am told.” On top of that, William Barr said in a letter to congressional leaders that there has been no obstruction of Mueller’s investigation by Justice Department officials.
So that’s it, then. A completely unhindered investigation has failed to convict a single American of any kind of conspiracy with the Russian government, and no further indictments are coming. The political/media class which sold rank-and-file Americans on the lie that the Mueller investigation was going to bring down this presidency were liars and frauds, and none of the goalpost-moving that I am sure is already beginning to happen will change that.
Caitlin Johnstone
drbrumley
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It has been obvious from the very beginning that the Maddow Muppets were being sold a lie. In 2017 I wrote an article titled “How We Can Be Certain That Mueller Won’t Prove Trump-Russia Collusion”, saying that Mueller would continue finding evidence of corruption “since corruption is to DC insiders as water is to fish”, but he will not find evidence of collusion. If you care to take a scroll through the angry comments on that article, just on Medium alone, you will see a frozen snapshot of what the expectations were from mainstream liberals at the time. They had swallowed the Russiagate narrative hook, line and sinker, and they believed that the Mueller investigation was going to vindicate them. It did not.
Caitlin Johnstone
Caitlin Johnstone
drbrumley
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I’ve been saying Russiagate is b.s. from the beginning, and I’ve been called a Trump shill, a Kremlin propagandist, a Nazi and a troll every day for saying so by credulous mass media-consuming dupes who drank the Kool Aid. And I’ve only taken a fraction of the flack more high profile Russiagate skeptics like Glenn Greenwald and Michael Tracey have been getting for expressing doubt in the Gospel According to Maddow. The insane, maniacal McCarthyite feeding frenzy that these people were plunged into by nonstop mass media propaganda drowned out the important voices who tried to argue that public energy was being sucked into Russia hysteria and used to manufacture support for dangerous cold war escalations with a nuclear superpower.
Caitlin Johnstone
Caitlin Johnstone
drbrumley
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Just think what we could have done with that energy over the last two years. Think how much public support could have been poured into the sweeping progressive reforms called for by the Sanders movement, for example, instead of constant demands for more sanctions and nuclear posturing against Russia. Think how much more attention could have been drawn to Trump’s actual horrific policies like his facilitation of Saudi butchery in Yemen or his regime change agendas in Iran and Venezuela, his support for ecocide and military expansionism and the barbarism of Jair Bolsonaro and Benjamin Netanyahu. Think how much more energy could have gone into beating back the Republicans in the midterms, reclaiming far more House seats and taking the Senate as well, gathering momentum for a presidential candidacy that truly threatens Trump instead of 9,000 primary candidates who will probably be selected by superdelegates after the first ballot when there’s too many of them to establish a clear majority under the new rules.
Caitlin Johnstone
Caitlin Johnstone
drbrumley
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We must never let them forget what they did or what they cost us all. We must never let mainstream Democrats forget how crazy they got, how much time and energy they wasted, how very, very wrong they were and how very, very right we were.
Never stop reminding them of this. Never stop mocking them for it. Never stop mocking their idiotic Rachel Maddow worship. Never stop mocking the Robert Mueller prayer candles. Never stop making fun of the way they blamed all their problems on Susan Sarandon. Never stop reminding them of those stupid pink vagina hats. Never stop mocking them for elevating Louise Mensch and Eric Garland. Never stop mocking them for creating the Krassenstein brothers.
Caitlin Johnstone
Never stop reminding them of this. Never stop mocking them for it. Never stop mocking their idiotic Rachel Maddow worship. Never stop mocking the Robert Mueller prayer candles. Never stop making fun of the way they blamed all their problems on Susan Sarandon. Never stop reminding them of those stupid pink vagina hats. Never stop mocking them for elevating Louise Mensch and Eric Garland. Never stop mocking them for creating the Krassenstein brothers.
Caitlin Johnstone
drbrumley
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Every politician, every media figure, every Twitter pundit and everyone who swallowed this moronic load of bull spunk has officially discredited themselves for life. Going forward, authority and credibility rests solely with those who kept clear eyes and clear heads during the mass media propaganda blitzkrieg, not with those who were stupid enough to believe what they were told about the behaviors of a noncompliant government in a post-Iraq invasion world. The people who steered us into two years of Russiagate insanity are the very last people anyone should ever listen to ever again when determining the future direction of our world.
Caitlin Johnstone
Caitlin Johnstone
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exminister
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The Constitution itself contains only two restrictions: The pardon must be an offense against the United States — that is, a federal crime and not a state crime. Also, the president cannot use the pardon power to save himself or another official from impeachment.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...lanation-executive-clemency-powers/660381002/
"The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."
Crimes against the states cannot be pardoned by the president, since the Constitution does not grant him that power.
The only possible exception would be where the statutes were identical; that could involve double jeopardy. So yes, that loophole should be closed, even if it's an iffy situation.
(Barbarian checks)
Yep. That's what it is.
Schneiderman says in the letter that, under U.S. Supreme Court precedent, a federal prosecution is no bar to a subsequent state prosecution under the double jeopardy clause, and vice versa.
But additional protection added by the legislature to the state constitution’s double jeopardy clause—which is nearly identical to the federal clause—could stand in the way of a state prosecution after a pardon, Schneiderman wrote.
The state double jeopardy law generally provides that jeopardy attaches (meaning subsequent prosecutions for the same acts are barred) when a defendant pleads guilty, or when a jury is sworn in a defendant’s criminal trial.
That means the state law could be invoked if the president issues a pardon after a defendant pleads guilty to a federal crime or after the swearing in of jurors in a defendant’s federal criminal trial.
“Simply put,” Schneiderman writes, “a defendant pardoned by the president for a serious federal crime could be freed from all accountability under federal and state criminal law, even though the president has no authority under the U.S. Constitution to pardon state crimes.”
http://www.abajournal.com/news/arti...tate_prosecutions_of_pardoned_trump_aides_cha
A crooked president might time his pardon to fit the loophole in the law. Easy to fix, I think.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...lanation-executive-clemency-powers/660381002/
"The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."
Crimes against the states cannot be pardoned by the president, since the Constitution does not grant him that power.
The only possible exception would be where the statutes were identical; that could involve double jeopardy. So yes, that loophole should be closed, even if it's an iffy situation.
(Barbarian checks)
Yep. That's what it is.
Schneiderman says in the letter that, under U.S. Supreme Court precedent, a federal prosecution is no bar to a subsequent state prosecution under the double jeopardy clause, and vice versa.
But additional protection added by the legislature to the state constitution’s double jeopardy clause—which is nearly identical to the federal clause—could stand in the way of a state prosecution after a pardon, Schneiderman wrote.
The state double jeopardy law generally provides that jeopardy attaches (meaning subsequent prosecutions for the same acts are barred) when a defendant pleads guilty, or when a jury is sworn in a defendant’s criminal trial.
That means the state law could be invoked if the president issues a pardon after a defendant pleads guilty to a federal crime or after the swearing in of jurors in a defendant’s federal criminal trial.
“Simply put,” Schneiderman writes, “a defendant pardoned by the president for a serious federal crime could be freed from all accountability under federal and state criminal law, even though the president has no authority under the U.S. Constitution to pardon state crimes.”
http://www.abajournal.com/news/arti...tate_prosecutions_of_pardoned_trump_aides_cha
A crooked president might time his pardon to fit the loophole in the law. Easy to fix, I think.
exminister
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Much less than what the Republicans wasted on Bengazhi. That was a spectacle. At least Mueller didn’t turn it into a circus.
And this got rid of some corrupt hombres. He attracts so much corruption. You can tell a lot about someone with the company he keeps.
I don't know what that means. :idunno:
drbrumley
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About Benghazi, that woman left them for dead....if that's a waste, your as dumb as the rest of em...
ALL POLITICIANS are CROOKS, get used to it.....
drbrumley
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Rating the Benghazi Show
By Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.
October 23, 2015
MoFo gives the hearings an overall F- and Hillary an A+. And they rightly can’t stand Hillary. (They also give the odd Gowdy an A.)
Part of the GOP’s problem, as MoFo notes, is that no American knows about or cares about the whole episode. 4 Americans were killed! Even worse, 1 belonged to an official victim group!
It’s actually the perfect Republican issue: pro-war, partisan, but never threatening the regime with a truth that might undeermine its hold on people’s minds.
One truth the GOP won’t tell: the ambassador to Hillary-throttled Libya and his cohorts were government gun runners who tried to use their official positions for cover, in effect telling Islamist terrorists, hey, you can’t kill us! We’re diplomatically immune! The US operatives were buying weapons that had belonged to the late anti-Islamicist Gaddafi regime and shipping them, via Islamcist Turkey, to US-sponsored Islamicist terrorists in Syria, to destroy the anti-Islamicist Assad regime. A very dark business in imperial trouble-making that the GOP loves as much as the Dems.
By Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.
October 23, 2015
MoFo gives the hearings an overall F- and Hillary an A+. And they rightly can’t stand Hillary. (They also give the odd Gowdy an A.)
Part of the GOP’s problem, as MoFo notes, is that no American knows about or cares about the whole episode. 4 Americans were killed! Even worse, 1 belonged to an official victim group!
It’s actually the perfect Republican issue: pro-war, partisan, but never threatening the regime with a truth that might undeermine its hold on people’s minds.
One truth the GOP won’t tell: the ambassador to Hillary-throttled Libya and his cohorts were government gun runners who tried to use their official positions for cover, in effect telling Islamist terrorists, hey, you can’t kill us! We’re diplomatically immune! The US operatives were buying weapons that had belonged to the late anti-Islamicist Gaddafi regime and shipping them, via Islamcist Turkey, to US-sponsored Islamicist terrorists in Syria, to destroy the anti-Islamicist Assad regime. A very dark business in imperial trouble-making that the GOP loves as much as the Dems.
drbrumley
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Notice he didn't touch this with a ten foot pole...
exminister
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How dumb were the Republicans that they could not convict her?
I think you have knowledge that Trey Gowdy didn't have. And yet you let her get away with it. :chuckle:
drbrumley
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Politics TRUMPS (Pun intended) the right thing to do.