The Near Total Failure of Government in the U.S.

PureX

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For many decades in the U.S. it has been a common practice for corporations, corporate conglomerates, and wealthy individuals to pool their considerable resources and use that wealth to bribe state and federal legislators, and anyone else in government of whom they desire special consideration and cooperation to gain an unfair market advantage that results in their ability to garner huge profits for themselves at the expense of the American people. And this practice has by now become so prevalent and institutionalized, and so effective, that no politician will dare even speak of it for fear of being stifled and driven out of public office by virtually every politician around them. Only the most rare and insulated politician will even elude to it. And none are willing to try and attempt any sort of reform that would seek to end the rampant legalized bribery of our government.

To make matters worse, as these corporate conglomerates and the wealthy elites that run them gain more and more and yet more wealth, they have also now been able to buy control of the media, and particularly of the news media. Allowing them to make sure that the whole subject of legalized bribery and of organized corporate economic pillaging stays out of the public's general realm of attention. And to instead keep us all occupied with silly and pointless social arguments, causes, and debates. And we have been falling for this ruse for decades. We're still falling for it.

The effect of all this bribery and corruption within our government has been that it has become totally and completely unable and unwilling to act on behalf of the well-being of the citizens its supposed to be serving, and instead only seeks new and better ways to funnel every possible dollar into the hands of the wealthy corporate elites that control them. That, in a nutshell, is ALL our government does, now. And everything else it pretends to do is just theater intended to serve as a distraction to the citizenry so they won't see themselves being systematically robbed with the full cooperation of their own elected officials.

And now the poison of all this corruption has finally infected even the most 'untouchable' corner of government in the land: the Supreme Court. The inevitable has finally happened, as the corrupt politicians have finally managed to stack the court with enough corrupt judges that the court can no longer function as it was assigned to do. The last bastion of hope for the U.S. citizen being protected from the greed and stupidity of capitalism has fallen. And there is no one left to help them now.

Shortly, the people of the U.S. will lose what little ability they have to effect political change via the voting booth. Voting will no longer matter to the outcome of an "election" because voting will just be a bit of empty theater meant to keep the citizenry thinking they are still "in charge". It's functionally that way, already. And we did this to ourselves. The moment we chose to vote for a politician because he or she promised to install biased judges, and to bring us jobs that don't pay a living wage, and to allow 'free trade' to run amok at the cost of everyone and everything else, we voted for our own destruction. We voted stupidly and selfishly and now we have a government that is so stupid and selfish that it's going to destroy everything and everyone we care about.

This isn't about whether or not abortion should be legal or illegal. It's about men deliberately lying to get themselves installed on the Supreme Court, and then forcing the court to throw women to the wolves and whims of state politics. To abandon its most sacred duty to protect minorities from the abuse of the majority, as well as to protect any subset of citizens from any other more powerful subset of citizens. It is the single most important responsibility of government. It's why we established a government. And especially so of the courts. But instead, the highest court in the land deliberately set aside the previous protections and then refused to replace them with whatever they determined to be better. Leaving the states to do whatever they please to a huge subset of U.S. citizens.

What if, next, this court decides to set aside the laws banning slavery, allowing the states to decide that practice for themselves, too? Or how about the laws banning debtor's prisons? ... The decent into a new 'dark age' continues to progress. And many among us are applauding it and encouraging it. And it's a sad, sad, thing to witness.
 

ok doser

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This isn't about whether or not abortion should be legal or illegal.
Of course it is. You wouldn't be ranting about this if you didn't think that abortion should be kept legal.
It's about men deliberately lying to get themselves installed on the Supreme Court,
Nobody lied
and then forcing the court to throw women to the wolves and whims of state politics.
Women haven't been thrown to the wolves
To abandon its most sacred duty to protect minorities from the abuse of the majority
Women are the majority in this country. And a large proportion of women believed that Roe v Wade was an abomination.
What if, next, this court decides to set aside the laws banning slavery, allowing the states to decide that practice for themselves, too?
They won't.
Calm down Nancy
Or how about the laws banning debtor's prisons? ...
Nope not that either
Calm down
The decent into a new 'dark age' continues to progress.
Oh the drama!
And many among us are applauding it and encouraging it.
I applaud anything that is a step towards ending the deliberate murder of the unborn child.
And it's a sad, sad, thing to witness.
Go sob into a pillow. Sob yourself to sleep. Have a nice nappy. You'll wake up feeling lots better.
 

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Democrats need to step up and do whatever it takes to nullify the last three extremists dishonorably inserted onto the SC. It’s the only way to restore the courts credibility and defend America from religious extremism …
 

PureX

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We've needed them to 'step up' for the last 40 years. Instead, they take the bribe money from the corporations, do as they're instructed, and then sit on their hands while the republicans push everything further and further toward corporatized religious fascism. They aren't going to step up because they know they don't have to, to get re-elected. And that's all any of them care about.

The only solution short of a violent revolution at this point is to vote out every incumbent, regardless of party, in every election unless and until they are actively fighting to end the legalized bribery of our state and federal legislators. Until we stop the bribery, they will not represent us. They will continue to represent the people paying to keep them in power. And one more go-round with republicans in charge, and our votes will become meaningless theater. They are already in many elections.
 

ok doser

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Democrats need to step up and do whatever it takes to nullify the last three extremists dishonorably inserted onto the SC. It’s the only way to restore the courts credibility and defend America from religious extremism …
You have always pretended to be pro-life. I've always known that you have been lying. It's good to see your true colors.
 

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For many decades in the U.S. it has been a common practice for corporations, corporate conglomerates, and wealthy individuals to pool their considerable resources and use that wealth to bribe state and federal legislators, and anyone else in government of whom they desire special consideration and cooperation to gain an unfair market advantage that results in their ability to garner huge profits for themselves at the expense of the American people.

Guess what, that's because our current government (including the documents involved) are flawed, to the point where this today is where it has led us.

And this practice has by now become so prevalent and institutionalized, and so effective, that no politician will dare even speak of it for fear of being stifled and driven out of public office by virtually every politician around them. Only the most rare and insulated politician will even elude to it. And none are willing to try and attempt any sort of reform that would seek to end the rampant legalized bribery of our government.

All symptoms of a greater problem, not the problem itself.

To make matters worse, as these corporate conglomerates and the wealthy elites that run them gain more and more and yet more wealth, they have also now been able to buy control of the media, and particularly of the news media. Allowing them to make sure that the whole subject of legalized bribery and of organized corporate economic pillaging stays out of the public's general realm of attention. And to instead keep us all occupied with silly and pointless social arguments, causes, and debates. And we have been falling for this ruse for decades. We're still falling for it.

Again, symptoms of a larger problem.

The effect of all this bribery and corruption within our government has been that it has become totally and completely unable and unwilling to act on behalf of the well-being of the citizens its supposed to be serving, and instead only seeks new and better ways to funnel every possible dollar into the hands of the wealthy corporate elites that control them. That, in a nutshell, is ALL our government does, now. And everything else it pretends to do is just theater intended to serve as a distraction to the citizenry so they won't see themselves being systematically robbed with the full cooperation of their own elected officials.

The government IS totally and completely unable and unwilling to act on behalf of the well-being of the citizens its supposed to be serving, but that's not because of capitalism, nor its it because of corporations bribing officials.

And now the poison of all this corruption has finally infected even the most 'untouchable' corner of government in the land: the Supreme Court.

SCOTUS has been corrupt for much longer than I've been alive (nearly 30 years, and yes, saying that makes me feel old, haha).

But you're referring to their decision to overturn RoeVWade, obviously...

The inevitable has finally happened, as the corrupt politicians have finally managed to stack the court with enough corrupt judges

They're all corrupt, some more than others. But that has very little to do with their decision to overturn Roe.

that the court can no longer function as it was assigned to do.

It hasn't been able to do that for, as I said, longer than I've been alive.

But don't take that as me defending the system itself. I think the whole system is inherently flawed since its conception.

The last bastion of hope for the U.S. citizen being protected from the greed and stupidity of capitalism has fallen.

Capitalism isn't a bad thing. It's based on men serving one another, an inherently good thing.

And there is no one left to help them now.

America has been circling the toilet for a while now. It's only a matter of time before we finally go down the tube. But this ain't what will send us there.

Shortly, the people of the U.S. will lose what little ability they have to effect political change via the voting booth.

We've long lost that ability, but that's just due to the inherent nature of the system, not because of a recent court ruling.

Voting will no longer matter to the outcome of an "election" because voting will just be a bit of empty theater meant to keep the citizenry thinking they are still "in charge".

It hasn't mattered since voting on laws was implemented.

It's functionally that way, already. And we did this to ourselves. The moment we chose to vote for a politician because he or she promised to install biased judges, and to bring us jobs that don't pay a living wage, and to allow 'free trade' to run amok at the cost of everyone and everything else, we voted for our own destruction. We voted stupidly and selfishly and now we have a government that is so stupid and selfish that it's going to destroy everything and everyone we care about.

But not for the reason you're ranting about.

This isn't about whether or not abortion should be legal or illegal.

That's exactly what this rant of yours is about, because you think that SCOTUS was wrong for overturning Roe.

It's about men deliberately lying to get themselves installed on the Supreme Court,

They all lie. If you think your side is innocent, get a clue.

and then forcing the court to throw women to the wolves and whims of state politics.

That's what Roe did, not what Scotus recently did.

To abandon its most sacred duty to protect minorities from the abuse of the majority,

Women are not a minority.

In fact, in any given society, the ratio of men to women is roughly 50/50. (China being one of the exceptions because they've massacred millions of female children in the womb in favor of men for their workforce.)

as well as to protect any subset of citizens from any other more powerful subset of citizens.

You'd think that if that were the end goal, you wouldn't set up a government that gives the majority power over the minority...

Again, the problem is the system itself. The people who work in the system only add to the problem.

It is the single most important responsibility of government.

Not quite.

That would be criminal justice, followed by infrastructure. By accomplishing those two efficiently and effectively, the government can protect the citizens.

It's why we established a government. And especially so of the courts. But instead, the highest court in the land deliberately set aside the previous protections

What protections? Certainly none for the baby in the womb...

and then refused to replace them with whatever they determined to be better. Leaving the states to do whatever they please to a huge subset of U.S. citizens.

The whole issue shouldn't be left to either the federal government OR the state governments. Or the people, for that matter.

What if, next, this court decides to set aside the laws banning slavery,

Don't ever read the 13th Amendment, you might have a heart attack...

allowing the states to decide that practice for themselves, too?

No one should have the ability to vote on laws pertaining to morality.

Or how about the laws banning debtor's prisons?

If men who were unable to pay off a debt from a crime they committed, they should be forced to work to pay it off, with a cutoff of seven years.

... The decent into a new 'dark age' continues to progress.

But not because of the recent SCOTUS ruling.

And many among us are applauding it and encouraging it. And it's a sad, sad, thing to witness.

I, for one, don't approve of our current government as a whole.

I think the whole thing should be scrapped, and that we should implement a new Constitution instead.
 

Yorzhik

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This isn't about whether or not abortion should be legal or illegal.
Are you sure you are right about this? You are making a lot of unqualified dogmatic statements.
But instead, the highest court in the land deliberately set aside the previous protections and then refused to replace them with whatever they determined to be better.
What protections are you talking about?
 

annabenedetti

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Democrats need to step up and do whatever it takes to nullify the last three extremists dishonorably inserted onto the SC. It’s the only way to restore the courts credibility and defend America from religious extremism …

Thirteen or fifteen justices on the court would be a start.

They've just ruled on a sixth amendment case that makes it impossible for incarcerated inmates to appeal on the basis of shoddy legal representation. So even if they could prove their representation was shoddy, there's nothing they can do about it. This is so wrong.
 

annabenedetti

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For many decades in the U.S. it has been a common practice for corporations, corporate conglomerates, and wealthy individuals to pool their considerable resources and use that wealth to bribe state and federal legislators, and anyone else in government of whom they desire special consideration and cooperation to gain an unfair market advantage that results in their ability to garner huge profits for themselves at the expense of the American people. And this practice has by now become so prevalent and institutionalized, and so effective, that no politician will dare even speak of it for fear of being stifled and driven out of public office by virtually every politician around them. Only the most rare and insulated politician will even elude to it. And none are willing to try and attempt any sort of reform that would seek to end the rampant legalized bribery of our government.

If by many decades you mean for roughly the past 150 years, back to the early railroad days, I agree with you.

Lobbying should be illegal. Corporations should taxed like the people they pretend to be. There's so much, where to even start...

To make matters worse, as these corporate conglomerates and the wealthy elites that run them gain more and more and yet more wealth, they have also now been able to buy control of the media, and particularly of the news media. Allowing them to make sure that the whole subject of legalized bribery and of organized corporate economic pillaging stays out of the public's general realm of attention. And to instead keep us all occupied with silly and pointless social arguments, causes, and debates. And we have been falling for this ruse for decades. We're still falling for it.

Corporate media is about making money, I think most people understand this.

And now the poison of all this corruption has finally infected even the most 'untouchable' corner of government in the land: the Supreme Court. The inevitable has finally happened, as the corrupt politicians have finally managed to stack the court with enough corrupt judges that the court can no longer function as it was assigned to do. The last bastion of hope for the U.S. citizen being protected from the greed and stupidity of capitalism has fallen. And there is no one left to help them now.

Shortly, the people of the U.S. will lose what little ability they have to effect political change via the voting booth. Voting will no longer matter to the outcome of an "election" because voting will just be a bit of empty theater meant to keep the citizenry thinking they are still "in charge". It's functionally that way, already. And we did this to ourselves. The moment we chose to vote for a politician because he or she promised to install biased judges, and to bring us jobs that don't pay a living wage, and to allow 'free trade' to run amok at the cost of everyone and everything else, we voted for our own destruction. We voted stupidly and selfishly and now we have a government that is so stupid and selfish that it's going to destroy everything and everyone we care about.

This isn't about whether or not abortion should be legal or illegal. It's about men deliberately lying to get themselves installed on the Supreme Court, and then forcing the court to throw women to the wolves and whims of state politics. To abandon its most sacred duty to protect minorities from the abuse of the majority, as well as to protect any subset of citizens from any other more powerful subset of citizens. It is the single most important responsibility of government. It's why we established a government. And especially so of the courts. But instead, the highest court in the land deliberately set aside the previous protections and then refused to replace them with whatever they determined to be better. Leaving the states to do whatever they please to a huge subset of U.S. citizens.

What if, next, this court decides to set aside the laws banning slavery, allowing the states to decide that practice for themselves, too? Or how about the laws banning debtor's prisons? ... The decent into a new 'dark age' continues to progress. And many among us are applauding it and encouraging it. And it's a sad, sad, thing to witness.

Remember when the talking point of the right was about not having courts that "legislated from the bench?" I sure do. What has always been the case for the right is if it's "their court," it's all good. We're already seeing erosions wrt the sixth amendment, tribal sovereignty, the Miranda rule, and others. But this is the first time I've understood that the Supreme Court is as vulnerable to corruption as the other two branches of government. It was always set aside as that gleaming bastion, and it isn't anymore. And they know it, too.
 

ok doser

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... incarcerated inmates to appeal on the basis of shoddy legal representation. So even if they could prove their representation was shoddy, there's nothing they can do about it. This is so wrong.
What convicted felon doesn't make that argument?

And why isn't it sufficient for you they still have the ability to appeal on the basis of criminally negligent legal representation?
 

PureX

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Thirteen or fifteen justices on the court would be a start.

They've just ruled on a sixth amendment case that makes it impossible for incarcerated inmates to appeal on the basis of shoddy legal representation. So even if they could prove their representation was shoddy, there's nothing they can do about it. This is so wrong.
Reason is now out the window. And there will be an endless string of these kinds of unreasonable and indefensible decisions. I don't think adding more judges is the solution. I think the court has to be disbanded for it's being incapable of fulfilling it's responsibilities to the poeple in it's current condition. And a new court installed. This time by some method other than politics.
 
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