VladtheDestroyer
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You forgot to tell him that you didn't have time to read everything he said because he's an idiot.
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You forgot to tell him that you didn't have time to read everything he said because he's an idiot.
Derf
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That was a different post, and I don't think that. He just acts like a child sometimes.
Idolater
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I don't think that either. He could be a powerful influencer and persuader, he has great talent.
Derf
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I agree, as long as he doesn't take his ball and go home when someone doesn't
immediately succumb to his logical prowess.
Right Divider
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Spoken like a true moron.
VladtheDestroyer
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Patrick Hannon
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A secret yes. the next verse in Romans 16: 26. The gospel. It was not known before Paul.
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There were gospels known before Paul.
Patrick Hannon
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Abrahams gospel. Galatians 3:8. The gospel of the kingdom. Matthew 4:23. The everlasting gospel. Revelation 14:6.
Derf
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Not to mention the gospel the angels brought to the shepherds in Luke 2:10.
Derf
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AAl
Also the gospel of God, the gospel of Jesus Christ, the gospel of peace, the gospel of the grace of God, the gospel of His (God's) Son.
Patrick Hannon
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Which gospel have you believed to be saved?
Derf
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Hi Patrick, if you have a question for a particular person, either use the reply button under his post or use the @ sign followed by his user name. That way we know who your question is for.
Assuming this is for me, I see the different gospels as integrated. For instance, the one given to Abraham was mentioned by Paul, so it is an early rendition of Paul's gospel. The others I mentioned terms most recently were terms used by Paul, so they are also "Paul's gospel". The angel's gospel was that Jesus had been born and men would benefit. That's a piece of Paul's gospel. That leaves the kingdom gospel as the only one not mentioned by Paul...but he was preaching the kingdom while a prisoner at Rome at the end of the book of Acts. Therefore they are all the same gospel, because no other gospel has salvific power.
Patrick Hannon
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I don't see the gospels as integrated. Yet you use the word "different". They are not the same. For instance Abraham's gospel is;
Gal_3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
You say Abraham's gospel is an "early rendition of Paul's gospel. Please compare them both.
Abraham's gospel; In thee shall all nations be blessed".
Paul's gospel;
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Do you think they look alike ?
They are different. Paul's gospel was distinct, not known before by men.
Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
We are not those people whom Paul was writing about. We are Gentiles and Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles.
For you to be saved as a Gentile you need to believe the gospel given to Paul by Christ.
Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
This is what I have believed, the gospel given to Paul by Christ. If you add, subtract from it, then you have believed in vain as Paul writes.
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
This is not my opinion, It is what God has written through our apostle Paul.
1Co_14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
Gal_3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
You say Abraham's gospel is an "early rendition of Paul's gospel. Please compare them both.
Abraham's gospel; In thee shall all nations be blessed".
Paul's gospel;
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Do you think they look alike ?
They are different. Paul's gospel was distinct, not known before by men.
Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
We are not those people whom Paul was writing about. We are Gentiles and Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles.
For you to be saved as a Gentile you need to believe the gospel given to Paul by Christ.
Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
This is what I have believed, the gospel given to Paul by Christ. If you add, subtract from it, then you have believed in vain as Paul writes.
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
This is not my opinion, It is what God has written through our apostle Paul.
1Co_14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
Romans 2:16b ...God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my (Paul's) gospel.
Romans 16:25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed of David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel,
Patrick Hannon
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You need to believe Paul's gospel to be saved.
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: