The difference is which happened first, second, third, ... nth, nth+1, nth +2, etc.
Correct. Frequency measures how many times something happens within a certain known period.
I never said it was.
A yardstick measures the distance between two points.
Time measures the distance between events.
Correct.
Because one happened before the other, and they did not happen simultaneously.
Let me put it this way: Outside of a thinking mind, there is no frequency, or duration, for its vibration. It's simply "vibrating." When a thinking mind encounters it, he can measure "how much does it vibrate (distance between one 'side' of the vibration and the other)" and "how fast (frequency) does it vibrate."
This might tie into this, but Bob Enyart, shortly before he passed away, had brought up the idea of the wave-particle duality actually being a wave-particle-word triality.
Worth a read, and might help you understand where I'm coming from.
I believe that the concept of number is a concrete reality. I don't expect to find a "4" lying around somewhere, but that 4 apples lying on the ground is a concrete representation of an abstract concept. An abstract concept that, nonetheless, is external to my thought. I don't have to call it "4" - I can call it whatever I want - but number is a very real concept. Unless you go into monism...
What does "concrete reality" mean to you?
It's both a "concrete reality" and "an abstract concept"?
What evidence do you have of that?
Even "very real concepts" don't have a physical nature.
You seem conflicted. The concrete reality is apples. There are four of them (you know because you count them). But the concept of "4" existed before the apples, without being concrete. When the apples first dropped to the ground is NOT when "4" was created. You knew about "4" long before that. That's all this thread is saying. "Time" existed as a concept before anything was created. A clock, like Cs atoms, made time a concrete reality, in your terms, but time doesn't cease to exist even if your Cs all settles to lower energy levels and can't produce the right frequency. Or even if all Cs atoms were somehow destroyed, along with the earth, the sun, and all cuckoo clocks.
Yes, correct. Your mind didn't invent the concept of 4. It preceded both you and all physical creation...as a concept. Time, too, except the concept was concreted (exhibited really) by God's sequential actions even before creation.
That makes all the apples non-concrete, which nobody is pushing for (I like apples.)
Why do people who know they've been cornered feel like double speak is a way out? I will never understand just who it is they're trying to convince!
In what way is it external to your thought? The apples are not aware of themselves or that there are other apples around. They are inanimate, unconscious objects. It is you who perceive that there are apples, this perception is connected to your senses but it not your senses. Your perception occurs IN YOUR MIND, as does your awareness of the fact that there are four of them.
It is indeed a real concept but it exists only as a concept with no concrete existence outside a thinking mind. The same is true of both time and distance (i.e. space).
In what way do "space and time" exist?
Events occur and objects exist but that isn't what time is nor does it require time for those things to happen, except in terms of the CONCEPT of time. Time is not what allows things to happen, existence is what allows things to happen but the duration and sequence of events and the location of the objects involved are all relative concepts. Meaning that there is no way to express the duration of an event except by referencing other events nor is there any way to express an object's location except in relation to other objects. If you don't believe me go ahead and try it. Relating one event or one object to another is something only a thinking mind can do.
I have always said long before I learned what science is now beginning to say -time does not exist - God created time for the benefit of man to measure his existence by. The end of days signifies the end of time.Couldn't find the thread I wanted to put this one in, so I'm starting a new one.
We Open theists have said a few things about time, but the most important being that time, as an entity, doesn't really exist, it's simply how we describe sequence of events in relation to each other.
Bob Enyart said a few times that theologians and philosophers often arrive at conclusions long before the scientists do (if someone has the exact quote, let me know, that's just a rough approximation of what he said based on my memory).
Well, it seems like that's at least almost true here as well, as Phys.org just posted this article.
Time might not exist, according to physicists and philosophers, but that's okay
Does time exist? The answer to this question may seem obvious: of course it does! Just look at a calendar or a clock.phys.org
Nonsense from the beginning to end. Science isn't beginning to say that time doesn't exist! The whole of modern cosmology is predicated on the idea that time does exist and that space and time are the same thing.
Yeah, the first half of my life was spent thinking about Einstein's theories. He DID NOT say that everything is energy. You sound like you've watched one too many episodes of Ancient Aliens.
Believe what you want, I suppose. Got anything to back up this belief of yours?
Which has nothing to do with the physical universe's CREATOR!
Time exists as an idea. It does not exist in the way that a rock exists or that you and I exist or that God exists. It's a concept, an abstraction. It exists in a thinking mind and nowhere else.
I think you've read too much Deepak Chopra
Thank you for your response I disagree with you on most of the things you said.