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Poketto Kunoichi
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I don't like judging people. Reason for that is because I'm afraid I'm not fit to, and I don't want to judge someone for making a small mistake when I'm much worse.
I'll judge actions based on circumstances, though.
I'll judge actions based on circumstances, though.
This is consistent with Jesus' teaching in Matt. 7.
We are not to make ourselves hypocrites when we judge. If we have a plank in our eye then we are not fit, to use your phrase, to judge our brother who has a splinter in his eye.
However, Jesus goes on to teach that if we first remove the plank from our eye then we are fit to help our brother because then we can see clearly (i.e. judge rightly) to remove the splinter from his eye.
So if you are fit to judge, keep your mouth shut. Otherwise, don't let your salt lose its saltiness, judge rightly!
Resting in Him,
Clete
No they don't.
Read what I said again...
"People don't get to believe whatever the hell they want and still get to rightly claim themselves to be a believer of the gospel."
so who is the judge of rightly?
Are you suggesting that right and wrong, true and false, good and evil, are matters of opinion?
no
I believe in absolutes just as you do
but
we don't agree on what they are
so how do we resolve this?
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Our Lord admonishes us not to feed that which is sacred to dogs and not to cast pearls before swine. Hence, we must make some judgment as to who exactly the dogs and the swine are, no?
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Then in that case you ask the wrong question, it isn't a "who" question, its a "How" question. In other words, it isn't who is interpreting Scripture is how they are doing it. The theological term is 'hermeneutics'. Since we agree in absolutes and in the existence of objective truth, the goal, of course, would be to use a hermeneutic that is as objective as possible.
Of course the topic of hermeneutics is a complex one but simply stated, the standard I set for the establishment of a truth claim is the plain reading of Scripture and sound reason. That is to say, that I do not accept as truth that which cannot be established via the plain reading of Scripture or by sound reason, or in the case of doctrinal truth, both.
What's your standard?
Resting in Him,
Clete
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I think few could have put it better.
*** - So, are you saying that because I'm 'more left than right', I couldn't possibly be a Christian? What is the point of this statement?
"Beware of false prophets." "You shall know them by their fruit."
Your fruit seems a little spoiled.
*** - If the Bible can be self annointed as the Word of God, so can I. I am divinely inspired every time I draw a portrait. I am divinely inspired every time I play my guitar. I am divinely inspired every time I write a journal entry. Divinely inspired does not make what is written, drawn, or played a truth. If you use that kind of logic, we would have to also say that since God created each and everyone of our souls, I must stress divinely created, then we must conclude that our souls don't need saving as they are the truth of divine creation. God also divinely created free will, so any choice we make would also be divinely inspired and thus also a truth.
** - I accept the Bible to be God inspired but not as God's Word. It is man's words inspired not only by God, but by myths, social, political, and economical conditions of the time period.
Judgement is not yours and it is not yours because you do not know the truth. To use the Bible as your truth is to mis-interpret Jesus's teachings. I can believe in the message of the scriptures without adhering to corrupted doctrine to be a believer in Christ.
Man, open your eyes. Look what is happening in the Middle East. Look at the behavior of the people in power. Do you actually believe that this is something new in that region? These are the people who wrote the scriptures. Constantine was one of the most brutal, dictatorial emperors of his time and he was the one who forced the clerics to canonize the bible. What should have been put into the bible? What should have been left out? I don't recall the bible stating that the cleric who canonized it were God inspired. The clerics were more Constantine inspired. In other words, they had to be very careful of what was put in there and what wasn't or they could lose their life.
None of this diminishes the value of the scriptures. Much truth can be found - not in it's words, but instead in the divine inspiration of its message.
God Bless!
yankeedoodled
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jjkk
christian:
First off you make a perverse assumption that God could not have inspired or guided the creation of the Bible. Would you then presume that the Ten Commandments were not of God too ? The many false innterpretations come from presuming his desires and wants are in align with God's Word and Will without lookinng harde enough to discern the difference. Not all judgment is the same as the Bible also tells you what is weakness to one man is not to another and failing in your weaknesses is sin. Flee from temptation is clear enough, but individual weaknesses are not always the same for all people. Seek and ye shall find.
christian:
First off you make a perverse assumption that God could not have inspired or guided the creation of the Bible. Would you then presume that the Ten Commandments were not of God too ? The many false innterpretations come from presuming his desires and wants are in align with God's Word and Will without lookinng harde enough to discern the difference. Not all judgment is the same as the Bible also tells you what is weakness to one man is not to another and failing in your weaknesses is sin. Flee from temptation is clear enough, but individual weaknesses are not always the same for all people. Seek and ye shall find.
First off, I made no assumption that God did not inspire or guide the creation of the Bible. I believe He did inspire the authors of the gospel as well as the epistles. Therein lies the problem - the majority of people in this country are not capable of comprehending what they read and must rely on others to tell them what is being said. See reference: http://www.pfizerhealthliteracy.com/pdfs/The_Health_Literacy_Problem_v2.pdf.
My point is that you have a bunch of 8th and 9th grade level readers passing judgement on others, not because they understand what the scriptures are about, but because they have been told what it is about. Seek and ye shall find - the problem is, we live in a microwave society where we want everything now and don't take the time to truly seek the truth - it's much easier to go along with the crowd that has all the answers for us and place our security within that group. God Bless.
My point is that you have a bunch of 8th and 9th grade level readers passing judgement on others, not because they understand what the scriptures are about, but because they have been told what it is about. Seek and ye shall find - the problem is, we live in a microwave society where we want everything now and don't take the time to truly seek the truth - it's much easier to go along with the crowd that has all the answers for us and place our security within that group. God Bless.
Egbert
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If you want to present that as a valid analogy, try not to replace "love" with "support", and try to distinguish between professions and incidental actions. As it is, you're talking about apples and oranges.
While we're on the subject, what is your suggested approach to sinners? Do you hate them?
yankeedoodled
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windstar3x3:
It really is easy and obvious. They worship the wicked gods of old.
Druid worship, worship the earth/environment.
Female Worship dominance.
Human sacrifice like Baal/Molech, especially of the babies.
All to often worshipping human weaknesses, greed, envy, lusts, etc. Rejecting Godliness and sound doctrines even basic moralities.
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Berachyah Yisrael
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By what measuring stick shall a man be measured? By what, which is firmly affirmed, be that which affirms a man? By what standard does one hold which to administer judgment, or to discern, the actions of others? What tells one that which is right and that which is wrong? What rules do we, as the created, are suppose to go by and live by?
Are we supposed to judge/discern by our own thoughts and feelings? Are we supposed to judge/discern by our own self-righteous moral compass? Is it left up to each and every one of us to judge/discern others just as we want we no regard to any set form of standards?
How is one supposed to know what is right and what is wrong? How does one know what is sin? How is one supposed to understand how they are supposed to act and treat others? What set of rules/ guidelines/ standards/ laws/ commandments and precepts are already in place that are meant for all of mankind to live by and are instructions for life which was given man for his good and long life by the One who created him? Yahshua ha Moshiach ben Daweed (Jesus the Messiah son of David) lived by these same rules/ guidelines/ standards/ laws/ commandments and precepts and told all those that believed him that they also should follow in his footsteps to be as, and do as, he has. That would mean to follow that same set of rules/ guidelines/ standards/ laws/ commandments and precepts that he did which was given by his Father which did so to Moshe (Moses) at Mt, Sinai. It is called the word of Elohim (God). For Yahshua (Jesus) told Helel (Devil/ Satan) that man is to live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of Elohim (God). It is also so said by Elohim that we are not to add to nor take away from His word.
When one picks and chooses which of Elohim (Gods) word by which they will live and judge/discern by then they are either adding or taking away from and therefore not obeying the one who created them. Yahshua (Jesus) told all those that said to him…….
So the bottom line, at least for me and my household, is that it is all of the words of Elohim which we are to live without any cherry picking involved. It is His word/ rules/ guidelines/ standards/ laws/ commandments and precepts that we are to learn and live by as so written within His law and prophets. For it is also written……..
We are to learn and live all of His word or there is no light in us. For Elohim (God) is light and there be no darkness found in Him.
Are we supposed to judge/discern by our own thoughts and feelings? Are we supposed to judge/discern by our own self-righteous moral compass? Is it left up to each and every one of us to judge/discern others just as we want we no regard to any set form of standards?
How is one supposed to know what is right and what is wrong? How does one know what is sin? How is one supposed to understand how they are supposed to act and treat others? What set of rules/ guidelines/ standards/ laws/ commandments and precepts are already in place that are meant for all of mankind to live by and are instructions for life which was given man for his good and long life by the One who created him? Yahshua ha Moshiach ben Daweed (Jesus the Messiah son of David) lived by these same rules/ guidelines/ standards/ laws/ commandments and precepts and told all those that believed him that they also should follow in his footsteps to be as, and do as, he has. That would mean to follow that same set of rules/ guidelines/ standards/ laws/ commandments and precepts that he did which was given by his Father which did so to Moshe (Moses) at Mt, Sinai. It is called the word of Elohim (God). For Yahshua (Jesus) told Helel (Devil/ Satan) that man is to live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of Elohim (God). It is also so said by Elohim that we are not to add to nor take away from His word.
When one picks and chooses which of Elohim (Gods) word by which they will live and judge/discern by then they are either adding or taking away from and therefore not obeying the one who created them. Yahshua (Jesus) told all those that said to him…….
So the bottom line, at least for me and my household, is that it is all of the words of Elohim which we are to live without any cherry picking involved. It is His word/ rules/ guidelines/ standards/ laws/ commandments and precepts that we are to learn and live by as so written within His law and prophets. For it is also written……..
We are to learn and live all of His word or there is no light in us. For Elohim (God) is light and there be no darkness found in Him.
I hate the wicked, and will not sit with evil doers.
John the Baptist was a sinner. I don't hate him. I aspire to be as strong as he was.
yankeedoodled
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Yankeedoodled:
The Truth is revealed through His prophets who are witnessed by their written words they left behind. As Jesus said, They change not one jot or tittle. Those given to self are prone to vain imaginations/interpretations. The Bible testifies to false prophets as wolves in sheep’s clothing. The Bible does mention that false prophets do not make all prophets denied. What a vain imagination presumption. The Bible does mention the confused that are not of Him given over to vain imaginations, it is a condition of the lost.
I find it preposterous to think God is incapable of having his servants/prophets inform us and direct us in the Way we should go. Looks like a small denial used to affect what a larger overall denial could not gain traction.
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