elohiym
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I think that we must judge, but need to be careful with what measure we use to judge.
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I think that we must judge, but need to be careful with what measure we use to judge.
Hmmmm... you should read just a couple sentences more.
1Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”
1 Corinthians 6:2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?
In other words... while it is ultimately God who judges each mans soul, we should still be smart enough to judge rightly here on earth. Furthermore, it will be us (the saints) who will in fact help God judge the world on judgment day, therefore you should train yourself to be a good judge here on earth.
My thoughts.
1. Sinners don't like judging b/c they don't want their sins exposed.
2. Most Christians don't like judging b/c they want people to like them (or at least they want sinners to feel warm and fuzzy about Christianity)
However, EVERYONE that says "don't judge" is judging someone else of doing wrong.
People, if you don't like judging just respond with "I prefer not to judge." Any response about what people ought to do concerning judging reveals to everyone that you are a hypocrite. Just a tip.
1. Sinners don't like judging b/c they don't want their sins exposed.
2. Most Christians don't like judging b/c they want people to like them (or at least they want sinners to feel warm and fuzzy about Christianity)
However, EVERYONE that says "don't judge" is judging someone else of doing wrong.
People, if you don't like judging just respond with "I prefer not to judge." Any response about what people ought to do concerning judging reveals to everyone that you are a hypocrite. Just a tip.
elohiym
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We are not to be judging non-Christians by the same standard we judge those within the church. He's not saying we shouldn't judge a child molester outside the church. We should!
DocJohnson
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He didn't have to say it was wrong directly. She knew it in her heart already, and the mere mention of her actions was enough to stir her conscience.
It was the same with the men who intended to stone the adulterous woman.
elohiym
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A good tip. However, I believe that those who would say "I prefer not to judge" as a general rule would be revealing themselves to be apathetic or worse and incapable of judging the world.
csuguy
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He did not say it was wrong at all - he was not condemning her. His purpose in saying what he did was not to condemn/correct her, but to convince her that he was the Messiah.
Here's a simple question for you....
Do you ever preach the gospel to anyone?
If so, how do you determine who needs to hear the message?
elohiym
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We are to judge those within the church and those without the church, just by different standards. Those within the church are claiming to be in Christ, and are held to higher standard.
Look, do you or do you not think we should judge child molesters, murderers, adulterers and thieves, whether they are within the church or not? It's that simple.
csuguy
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Do I PREACH the gospel? No, I'm not a preacher. I will happily discuss the gospel and other theological issues with anyone however - anyone who knows me knows that I love theology.
And everyone needs to hear the gospel.
csuguy
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It is not the churches job to enforce criminal justice - the church should not be judging those outside the church.
elohiym
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So if you see someone molesting a child, you're not going to judge that he's a child molester? :squint:
csuguy
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judging someone and discerning truth are two different things.
elohiym
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lain:Another thing...
People only complain when we judge things like homosexuality, abortion, pornography, fornication, etc.
Not many people complain when we judge child molesters (except Michael Jackson), racists (except for Jeremiah Wright), serial killers (except George Tiller), rapists (except Roman Polanski), etc.
Why? Because the first group of sins most people love and adore. The second groups of sins most people despise (unless their hero did it, then they make an exception).
So, ultimately people don't have a problem with judging in and of itself. Just a problem with what's being judged.
People only complain when we judge things like homosexuality, abortion, pornography, fornication, etc.
Not many people complain when we judge child molesters (except Michael Jackson), racists (except for Jeremiah Wright), serial killers (except George Tiller), rapists (except Roman Polanski), etc.
Why? Because the first group of sins most people love and adore. The second groups of sins most people despise (unless their hero did it, then they make an exception).
So, ultimately people don't have a problem with judging in and of itself. Just a problem with what's being judged.
elohiym
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Which brings us back to the standard, the measure...and this verse pops out:
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
We must judge, and do it righteously.
csuguy
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Yes I am. Fortunately - I am smart enough to realize that words can carry different connotations in different contexts. You?
:thumb:
elohiym
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I just gave you the link to the dictionary definition of judge. Must I also provide you with the link to discern?
A little intellectual honesty, please.
Tell us what you mean by judge then.
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