ok doser
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Ya think?
Ukraine Crisis
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Idolater
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Even without any WMD evidence we were morally justified to go in there, Hussein had established himself as a first degree human rights violator (a violent criminal!) and he was in charge of a country without anything approaching an American constitution, Iraqis had nothing to defend themselves against him.
It's not like Hussein was really an innocent dove and we trumped up charges against him to make him look bad. It's not like he was Donald Trump.
This just looks like a non-story about a non-story. As I said to Doser America was justified going in there just based on Hussein's track record alone. WMD would have just been to convince anybody sitting on the fence about whether we were justified going in there, but we were justified anyway, without WMD.There was plenty of intelligence that showed no such thing and there was steadfast opposition to the war from many sides. There was some more than shady stuff going on with this:
Katharine Gun - Wikipedia
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On 13 November 2003, Gun was charged with an offence under section 1 of the Official Secrets Act 1989.[10] Her case became a cause célèbre among activists, and many people stepped forward to urge the government to drop the case. Among them were Reverend Jesse Jackson, Daniel Ellsberg (the US government official who leaked the Pentagon Papers), and Congressman Dennis Kucinich.[11]
The case came to court on 25 February 2004. Within half an hour, the case was dropped because the prosecution declined to offer evidence.[12] At the time, the reasons for the Attorney-General to drop the case were murky. The day before the trial, Gun's defence team had asked the government for any records of legal advice about the lawfulness of the war that it had received during the run-up to the war. A full trial might have exposed any such documents to public scrutiny, as the defence was expected to argue that trying to stop an unlawful war of aggression outweighed Gun's obligations under the Official Secrets Act. Gun was defended by Alex Bailin KC.[13] Speculation was rife in the media that the prosecution service had bowed to political pressure to drop the case so that any such documents would remain secret.[12] A government spokesman said that the decision to drop the case had been made before the defence's demands had been submitted.[12] The Guardian newspaper had reported plans to drop the case the previous week.[14] On the day of the court hearing, Gun said, "I'm just baffled in the 21st century we as human beings are still dropping bombs on each other as a means to resolve issues."[12] In May 2019 The Guardian stated the case was dropped "when the prosecution realised that evidence would emerge ... that even British government lawyers believed the invasion was unlawful."[15]
In September 2019 Ken Macdonald, the former director of public prosecutions, said the dropping of the case against Gun was not to stop the Attorney General's advice on the legality of the Iraq War from being revealed. He stated that Gun would not have received a fair trial without the disclosure of information that would have compromised national security. Gavin Hood, the director of Official Secrets, expressed scepticism about Macdonald's statement and called for the declassification of the official documents referred to by Macdonald.[16]
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What Imperial arrogance you have!
Most countries have leaders "in charge of a country without anything approaching an American constitution". Are you going to fix them all?
You are against the war-mongering of the USA's military-industrial complex. You are also in favor of Putin's war-mongering in Ukraine. Well, too bad. Your war hero is going down.
False equivalence. Russia is and has been the aggressor nation ever since communism. While it might seem odd to some to see you side with the banana republic KGB dictator of the former USSR, we realize that you see him as the dictator you only wish Trump could have been
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Pray for him
Arthur Brain
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Shows how much you know about the subject then if you consider such to be a 'non story'. No, America was not 'justified' in invading Iraq and neither was Britain and it had squat to do with WMD either if you cared to educate yourself on the matter.
Arthur Brain
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Funny how some folk like to throw such deflective irrelevance around when faced with a simple, direct question isn't it? How hard can it possibly be to condemn Putin, his regime, his invasion and atrocities?
Shouldn't be hard at all and yet still...
@Jefferson is too embarrassed to outright admit his adoration for Putin and @Stripe is desperately trying to run cover for him.
Arthur Brain
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Crazy seems about right...
Arthur Brain
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In cricketing terms it's a double run out...
Arthur Brain
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So, you started talking to him about it yet or are you still not up to speed?
Idolater
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I just said it had nothing to do with WMD it had to do with the dude's track record.
Arthur Brain
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Then educate yourself further and find out why there was no justification on that score without WMD then. Or not.
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The "dude" was an American ally even when he had a pretty bad "track record". So what happened that he has to be removed?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
The USA's military-industrial complex combined with our entangling alliances are 2 big middle fingers given to Deuteronomy 17:6 which commands against engaging in wars in distant lands. For that reason I don't have a dog in this fight. However, because you are a Democrat (ie. a member of The War Party) you misinterpret any lack of rooting for Ukraine as being pro Putin. Do we know for a fact that there are (or were) WMDs in Ukraine? We didn't know for sure there weren't any in Iraq until the war was over. So was Putin justified in invading? We don't know yet. In the meantime, I will continue to enjoy throwing cold water on the enthusiasm of new world order internationalists.
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In cricket, the ball is dead when one batsman is dismissed (law 20.11.3). So once again your analysis is fatally — and obviously — flawed.
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