WHO IS THE CHURCH OF GOD?

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Credo in Unum Deum
Yes, he does.

No he doesn't. You make Paul disobey Christ. You are a scriptural illiterate.

Paul was not under Peter's (or any other man's) authority.

Yes he was.

Scripture shows ample evidence that Paul readily submitted to the authority of Peter’s office. In Galatians 2, which took place about 17 years into Paul’s missionary ministry after his conversion (cf. Gal 1:18, 2:1): “I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along with me. I went up by revelation; and I laid before them (but privately before those who were of repute) the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, lest somehow I should be running or had run in vain” (Gal 2:1-2).

Paul wanted to be certain that his own teaching was in conformity with the teaching of Peter and the apostles. Indeed, although Paul considered himself an apostle, he considered himself least among them: “Last of all, as to one untimely born, [Jesus] appeared also to me. For I am the least of the apostles, unfit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God” (1 Cor 15:8-9).

Ultimately, scriptural evidence proves that Paul embraced Catholic teaching and discipline, and he fully submitted to Peter’s authority. In fact, like the spirit of ecumenism emphasized by Vatican II and Lumen Gentium, Paul, too, rejected division and exhorted Catholic unity: “I appeal to you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment” (1 Cor 1:10).
 
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Credo in Unum Deum
Right Divider Vs. Jesus

Act One, Scene One. Roll'em

Jesus: "You are Peter, the Rock, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven"​
Right Divider: "No Lord! You cannot make Peter the leader of them all, and you cannot give a man that sort of power."​
Jesus: "Why not"​
Right Divider: "The Bible says..."​
Jesus: "What Bible? There is no Bible."​
Right Divider: "Oh, yeah . . well . . . "​
Jesus: "Are you Jewish? You talk kind of funny."​
Right Divider: "No, I'm an American!"​
Jesus: "Well, I am Jewish, so let me school you on what we Jews mean about Binding and loosing: They are Rabbinical terms for "forbidding and permitting." Binding and loosing is originally a Mishnaic phrase also mentioned in the Targum. In usage, to bind and to loose simply means to forbid by an indisputable authority and to permit by an indisputable authority. One example of this is Isaiah 58:5-6 which relates proper fasting to loosing the chains of injustice.​
The power of binding and loosing was always claimed by the Pharisees who became the administrators of all public affairs so as to be empowered to banish and readmit whom they pleased, as well as to loose and to bind. This does not mean that, as the learned men, they merely decided what, according to the Law, was forbidden or allowed, but that they possessed and exercised the power of tying or untying a thing by their divine authority, just as they could, by the power vested in them, pronounce and revoke an anathema upon a person. The various schools had the power "to bind and to loose"; that is, to forbid and to permit; and they could bind any day by declaring it a fast-day. Now, by these words I am investing Peter with the same authority as that which belongs to the scribes and Pharisees right now, but won't much longer.​
Right Divider: But how can I believe all this if it is not written.​
Jesus: It will be written soon, but you will believe because my apostles will teach it, and I have given them all authority on earth.​
Right Divider: But but but​
Jesus: But but nothing, that's it. Now go away, you bother me.​
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Credo in Unum Deum

Jesus said his Church would be “the light of the world.” He then noted that “a city set on a hill cannot be hid” (Matt. 5:14). This means his Church is a visible organization. It must have characteristics that clearly identify it and that distinguish it from other churches. Jesus promised, “I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18). This means that his Church will never be destroyed and will never fall away from him. His Church will survive until his return.

Among the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox churches broke away from unity with the pope in 1054. The Protestant churches were established during the Reformation, which began in 1517. (Most of today’s Protestant churches are actually offshoots of the original Protestant offshoots.)

Only the Catholic Church existed in the tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing. The line of popes can be traced back, in unbroken succession, to Peter himself. This is unequaled by any institution in history.

Even the oldest government is new compared to the papacy, and the churches that send out door-to-door missionaries are young compared to the Catholic Church. Many of these churches began as recently as the nineteenth or twentieth centuries. Some even began during your own lifetime. None of them can claim to be the Church Jesus established.

The Catholic Church has existed for nearly 2,000 years, despite constant opposition from the world. This is testimony to the Church’s divine origin. It must be more than a merely human organization, especially considering that its human members— even some of its leaders—have been unwise, corrupt, or prone to heresy.

Any merely human organization with such members would have collapsed early on. The Catholic Church is today the most vigorous church in the world (and the largest, with a billion members: one sixth of the human race), and that is testimony not to the cleverness of the Church’s leaders, but to the protection of the Holy Spirit.

FOUR MARKS OF THE TRUE CHURCH​

If we wish to locate the Church founded by Jesus, we need to locate the one that has the four chief marks or qualities of his Church. The Church we seek must be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.

The Church Is One (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13, CCC 813–822)​

Jesus established only one Church, not a collection of differing churches (Lutheran, Baptist, Anglican, and so on). The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:23–32). Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church.

His Church also teaches just one set of doctrines, which must be the same as those taught by the apostles (Jude 3). This is the unity of belief to which Scripture calls us (Phil. 1:27, 2:2).

Although some Catholics dissent from officially-taught doctrines, the Church’s official teachers—the pope and the bishops united with him—have never changed any doctrine. Over the centuries, as doctrines are examined more fully, the Church comes to understand them more deeply (John 16:12–13), but it never understands them to mean the opposite of what they once meant.

The Church Is Holy (Eph. 5:25–27, Rev. 19:7–8, CCC 823–829)​

By his grace Jesus makes the Church holy, just as he is holy. This doesn’t mean that each member is always holy. Jesus said there would be both good and bad members in the Church (John 6:70), and not all the members would go to heaven (Matt. 7:21–23).

But the Church itself is holy because it is the source of holiness and is the guardian of the special means of grace Jesus established, the sacraments (cf. Eph. 5:26).

The Church Is Catholic (Matt. 28:19–20, Rev. 5:9–10, CCC 830–856)​

Jesus’ Church is called catholic (“universal” in Greek) because it is his gift to all people. He told his apostles to go throughout the world and make disciples of “all nations” (Matt. 28:19–20).

For 2,000 years the Catholic Church has carried out this mission, preaching the good news that Christ died for all men and that he wants all of us to be members of his universal family (Gal. 3:28).

Nowadays the Catholic Church is found in every country of the world and is still sending out missionaries to “make disciples of all nations” (Matt. 28:19).

The Church Jesus established was known by its most common title, “the Catholic Church,” at least as early as the year 107, when Ignatius of Antioch used that title to describe the one Church Jesus founded. The title apparently was old in Ignatius’s time, which means it probably went all the way back to the time of the apostles.

The Church Is Apostolic (Eph. 2:19–20, CCC 857–865)​

The Church Jesus founded is apostolic because he appointed the apostles to be the first leaders of the Church, and their successors were to be its future leaders. The apostles were the first bishops, and, since the first century, there has been an unbroken line of Catholic bishops faithfully handing on what the apostles taught the first Christians in Scripture and oral Tradition (2 Tim. 2:2).

These beliefs include the bodily Resurrection of Jesus, the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, the sacrificial nature of the Mass, the forgiveness of sins through a priest, baptismal regeneration, the existence of purgatory, Mary’s special role, and much more —even the doctrine of apostolic succession itself.

Early Christian writings prove the first Christians were thoroughly Catholic in belief and practice and looked to the successors of the apostles as their leaders. What these first Christians believed is still believed by the Catholic Church. No other Church can make that claim.

Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth​

Man’s ingenuity cannot account for this. The Church has remained one, holy, catholic, and apostolic—not through man’s effort, but because God preserves the Church he established (Matt. 16:18, 28:20).

He guided the Israelites on their escape from Egypt by giving them a pillar of fire to light their way across the dark wilderness (Exod. 13:21). Today he guides us through his Catholic Church.

The Bible, sacred Tradition, and the writings of the earliest Christians testify that the Church teaches with Jesus’ authority. In this age of countless competing religions, each clamoring for attention, one voice rises above the din: the Catholic Church, which the Bible calls “the pillar and foundation of truth” (1 Tim. 3:15).

Jesus assured the apostles and their successors, the popes and the bishops, “He who listens to you listens to me, and he who rejects you rejects me” (Luke 10:16). Jesus promised to guide his Church into all truth (John 16:12–13). We can have confidence that his Church teaches only the truth.

 

beloved57

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Believing Israel and unbelieving Israel. Nothing to do with gentiles in that verse or that passage. Romans 9-11 is about ISRAEL. Nothing to do with the body of Christ.
Thats the two different Israels, believing saved Israel which is Abrahams Spiritual Seed, and unregenerate israel his physical seed. Cant you see that Paul says they are two separate Israels. Now the saved believing Israel is the Church that belongs to Christ, the unregenerate nation of israel doesnt belong to Christ, they are merely Abrahams physical descendants.
 

Trump Gurl

Credo in Unum Deum
The Church is the “New Israel”, the spiritual Israel. In Romans 9:6 Paul says that “not all who are of Israel are Israel.” This indicates the existence of two Israels. One—”all who are of Israel”—indicates the ethnic people, not all of whom believe in Jesus. The other Israel, the context reveals, does not include those who have rejected the Messiah. This new Israel, founded by Messiah, exists in spiritual continuity with the Old Testament saints and so counts as a “spiritual Israel.” It includes Gentiles who believe in the Messiah and so through baptism are spiritually circumcised (Col. 2:11–12) and are reckoned as spiritual Jews (Rom. 2:26–29).

In his letter to the Ephesians Paul is even more explicit about the Gentiles’ spiritual inclusion when he states that “you Gentiles in the flesh . . . were once separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel . . . But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near . . . So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints” (2:11–13, 19).

The Catholic Church, not being constrained by the new theological systems of dispensationalism and covenant theology, is able to avoid the extremes of both while it acknowledges the truths both contain—as it has since before either was invented.


The Church is the Messianic Kingdom. It is the Kingdom of God on earth.
All people are called to be a part of this Kingdom – it is the fulfillment of God’s promises to the Hebrew people. It’s the true Church of the Messiah, Christ – His people are the chosen people, His Kingdom is the new Israel.
 

Right Divider

Body part
Thats the two different Israels, believing saved Israel which is Abrahams Spiritual Seed, and unregenerate israel his physical seed.
False dichotomy. Was Peter NOT "his physical seed"?
Cant you see that Paul says they are two separate Israels.
Believing Israel and unbelieving Israel, sure. This does NOT make gentiles in the body of Christ "Israel".
That's was a perverted doctrine that you've fallen in love with.
Now the saved believing Israel is the Church that belongs to Christ, the unregenerate nation of israel doesnt belong to Christ, they are merely Abrahams physical descendants.
Utter baloney.

The body of Christ is the one NEW man... not some perverse type of Israel.
 

Right Divider

Body part
Jesus said his Church would be “the light of the world.” He then noted that “a city set on a hill cannot be hid” (Matt. 5:14). This means his Church is a visible organization.
The "church" spoken of there is believing Israel. Israel was to be a light to the gentiles (see Isaiah).

Jesus said:
Mat 15:24 KJV But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
So in Matthew 5 Jesus was speaking to HIS PEOPLE, Israel. Paul confirms this also:
Rom 15:8 KJV Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Among the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church.
This is the immense PRIDE that I was telling you about.

Paul was NOT "an offshoot" of the "Catholic Church".

Peter and the eleven (i.e., the TWELVE apostles that will sit on TWELVE thrones judging the TWELVE tribes of Israel) are NOT the ones that WE in the BODY OF CHRIST are to follow. We follow the ONE apostle Paul.
1Co 11:1 KJV Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
 

beloved57

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False dichotomy. Was Peter NOT "his physical seed"?

Believing Israel and unbelieving Israel, sure. This does NOT make gentiles in the body of Christ "Israel".
That's was a perverted doctrine that you've fallen in love with.

Utter baloney.

The body of Christ is the one NEW man... not some perverse type of Israel.
Peter was both. He and other saved jews belonged to national israel and spiritual israel. Now the saved Gentiles belong to Spiritual Israel not national israel, along with Saved Jews.
 

beloved57

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The body of Christ is a NEW creature and NOT a "new Israel".
The Body of Christ is Israel, the Spiritual Seed of Abraham, its the same Spiritual Israel from the OT, but under the NT God adds saved gentiles. Thats the only thing new, because it was a mystery, the mystery being fully made known is new, thats it.
 
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