Who Represents the Rest of Us?

Daniel1611

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America wants to define itself as liberals versus conservative, Democrats versus Republicans. Then you have another group that wants to meet right in the middle on ever issue. Where do those of us fit who cannot fit in the left/right/center paradigm? I'm not a liberal or conservative, and my views sure aren't centrist,

I'm for against centralized power, whether it be in the hands of government or business. I'm for limited government and regulation of banks and other big business.

I'm for a non-interventionist foreign policy.

For abolishing the Federal Reserve and the Federal income tax.

For organized labor.

For capital punishment for capital crimes.

Against abortion.

For single payer universal healthcare

For 2nd amendment rights

For renewable energy and sensible environmental protections.

For reforming the welfare system

For Social Security for the elderly and disabled.

For ending the Dug War and repealing laws that create crimes without victims.

Who represents my views in Congress?
 

Cam

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I think you have to be pro-revival, I don't think there is a political solution. We are corrupt, and the church is corrupt, so, we have corrupt government.
 

Morpheus

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I think you have to be pro-revival, I don't think there is a political solution. We are corrupt, and the church is corrupt, so, we have corrupt government.

Historically it has been easier to clean up government (at least temporarily) than it is to clean up the church. I speak there of the church in the institutional sense. The true church is individuals scattered throughout the globe. When I have travelled doing first responder or missions work with those from several denominations across the country, the people there are like-minded, agreeing on the Christian essentials. We typically end up sharing how we all have far more in common with each other than we have with our home churches, each feeling some dissatisfaction with the corruption back home. So in my mind the church is unified, but most churches are corrupt. Greed and pride ascend to some positions of leadership, and then they mislead those who are weaker. And, like the Pharisees, most of those leaders see themselves as righteous.

At least with governments oppression and corruption can lead to revolution. But after the revolution the pigs take charge, the rules change while the other animals sleep and the cycle begins again. Historically when revival occurs in the formal church the new group does well for a while, but they fall into old patterns, and typically end up back like they were within only about 40-50 years. Like I said, the true church is scattered individuals, and much like Israel, a remnant will always remain.
 

Cam

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Historically it has been easier to clean up government (at least temporarily) than it is to clean up the church. I speak there of the church in the institutional sense. The true church is individuals scattered throughout the globe. When I have travelled doing first responder or missions work with those from several denominations across the country, the people there are like-minded, agreeing on the Christian essentials. We typically end up sharing how we all have far more in common with each other than we have with our home churches, each feeling some dissatisfaction with the corruption back home. So in my mind the church is unified, but most churches are corrupt. Greed and pride ascend to some positions of leadership, and then they mislead those who are weaker. And, like the Pharisees, most of those leaders see themselves as righteous.

At least with governments oppression and corruption can lead to revolution. But after the revolution the pigs take charge, the rules change while the other animals sleep and the cycle begins again. Historically when revival occurs in the formal church the new group does well for a while, but they fall into old patterns, and typically end up back like they were within only about 40-50 years. Like I said, the true church is scattered individuals, and much like Israel, a remnant will always remain.

Some of that is over my head, particularly, to make a historical comparison between reform in the church versus reform in government.

I just see strong delusion, the 'good guys' are on the wrong side. The mainstream media has a Matrix-like, Orwellian lock down on the population- I've made a big deal of it, but it's illustrative- we actually had a 'follower' of Jesus tell us the world is a better place since three young, Muslim college students were gunned down. The rest of them just silent. Same thing with starting wars and overthrowing sovereign governments. Habukkuk tells us just because God uses your country to overthrow another country, don't get the idea you are 'all that' and won't get overthrown yourself.

My Christian sister, she sits in front of the television while a lesbian tells her views on all things including her romantic relationship. I know homosexuality isn't the only sin but I'm still waiting on an adultery-pride parade or a bestiality-pride parade. Christians are lapping this stuff up.

Where would the casinos be or where would Hollywood be if Christians weren't buying their products.

My brother in law is a nice, moral person, but on fire for Jesus he is not. He is, however, a successful small business owner. I mentioned that churches function like small businesses. He told me, 'of course', it was much more obvious to him than to me. We're locked into this extra scriptural liturgy of Sunday meetings with four songs from the worship team and somebody is going to blow into the microphone for 30-45 minutes. We come back next week and we do it again. It's OK...but, it doesn't ruffle any feathers and maintains job security for those on the payroll. Maybe I'm too harsh and cynical on this one.

And, all these other political issues? Governments can provide more or less services depending on how much taxes we provide. Unless we have institutions leeching off a bought up Congress or a parasitical Federal Reserve corrupt in it's inception. A 501.c church can't take it on.

Nativity scenes coming down, Menorahs coming up, and these chumps worshipping people who reject Jesus. I mean, I understand reaching out...
 

Cam

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do a little research
and
then go vote

you will be representing yourself

Genius. Vote for Coke or Pepsi, whichever ones made it through the billion dollar system. And if the electronic voting machine isn't rigged, maybe the one with the most votes will win.
 

chrysostom

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Genius. Vote for Coke or Pepsi, whichever ones made it through the billion dollar system. And if the electronic voting machine isn't rigged, maybe the one with the most votes will win.

listen to someone who can tell the difference
if
you can't
 

Cam

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listen to someone who can tell the difference
if
you can't

Thats Catholicism. I think the most active people on my sports message board and cheering the team are Catholics. Broad stereotype, but Catholics think and live in the world that established authorities ordain.

Biblical Christianity strips down worldly authority, exalts the authority of the kingdom of Heaven, and then in the name of peace submission to the world's authority is chosen where change isnt immediately required.

So no, im not looking for an authority figure to tell me Coke or Pepsi.
 

chrysostom

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Thats Catholicism. I think the most active people on my sports message board and cheering the team are Catholics. Broad stereotype, but Catholics think and live in the world that established authorities ordain.

Biblical Christianity strips down worldly authority, exalts the authority of the kingdom of Heaven, and then in the name of peace submission to the world's authority is chosen where change isnt immediately required.

So no, im not looking for an authority figure to tell me Coke or Pepsi.

and we are not looking for someone who can't tell the difference
 

Eeset

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LIFETIME MEMBER
America wants to define itself as liberals versus conservative, Democrats versus Republicans. Then you have another group that wants to meet right in the middle on ever issue. Where do those of us fit who cannot fit in the left/right/center paradigm? I'm not a liberal or conservative, and my views sure aren't centrist,

I'm for against centralized power, whether it be in the hands of government or business. I'm for limited government and regulation of banks and other big business.

I'm for a non-interventionist foreign policy.

For abolishing the Federal Reserve and the Federal income tax.

For organized labor.

For capital punishment for capital crimes.

Against abortion.

For single payer universal healthcare

For 2nd amendment rights

For renewable energy and sensible environmental protections.

For reforming the welfare system

For Social Security for the elderly and disabled.

For ending the Dug War and repealing laws that create crimes without victims.

Who represents my views in Congress?
I'm in favor of a balanced federal budget.
To achieve that taxes must be levied.
On people and corporations who have money.
Because taxing the poor can't raise much.
 

chrysostom

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I'm in favor of a balanced federal budget.
To achieve that taxes must be levied.
On people and corporations who have money.
Because taxing the poor can't raise much.

corporations can't pay taxes
only people can
 

shagster01

New member
America wants to define itself as liberals versus conservative, Democrats versus Republicans. Then you have another group that wants to meet right in the middle on ever issue. Where do those of us fit who cannot fit in the left/right/center paradigm? I'm not a liberal or conservative, and my views sure aren't centrist,

I'm for against centralized power, whether it be in the hands of government or business. I'm for limited government and regulation of banks and other big business.

I'm for a non-interventionist foreign policy.

For abolishing the Federal Reserve and the Federal income tax.

For organized labor.

For capital punishment for capital crimes.

Against abortion.

For single payer universal healthcare

For 2nd amendment rights

For renewable energy and sensible environmental protections.

For reforming the welfare system

For Social Security for the elderly and disabled.

For ending the Dug War and repealing laws that create crimes without victims.

Who represents my views in Congress?

Are you asking who represents every one of your views?

Probably only you.

I feel the same way as you as I am split between both parties on many issues and agree with neither on a lot too. Libertarianism is the closest I have.

I am curious how you are pro social security but anti income tax. Where do you intend on getting the money for social security?

You could always run to represent yourself in Congress.
 

PureX

Well-known member
America wants to define itself as liberals versus conservative, Democrats versus Republicans. Then you have another group that wants to meet right in the middle on ever issue. Where do those of us fit who cannot fit in the left/right/center paradigm? I'm not a liberal or conservative, and my views sure aren't centrist,

I'm for against centralized power, whether it be in the hands of government or business. I'm for limited government and regulation of banks and other big business.

I'm for a non-interventionist foreign policy.

For abolishing the Federal Reserve and the Federal income tax.

For organized labor.

For capital punishment for capital crimes.

Against abortion.

For single payer universal healthcare

For 2nd amendment rights

For renewable energy and sensible environmental protections.

For reforming the welfare system

For Social Security for the elderly and disabled.

For ending the Dug War and repealing laws that create crimes without victims.

Who represents my views in Congress?
Few of us actually fall into the prescribed categories. I am a liberal and a socialist, yet I believe we do need to minimize government intervention where we can. I do not believe in centralized government; as I think government should be essentially local, but with strict protections from abuse, and layers of oversight to ensure those protections. I am against abortion, personally, but I believe it should remain legal (with limitations) for the time being. I fully support socialized health care, retirement, and public aid, but I think a lot of this could be far more effectively accomplished by establishing a whole new tax system that includes economic assistance up to a base "survival income". I would also be in favor of public works programs for the able-bodied unemployed. And that could be tied to a national drug and alcohol addiction program; as many of our able-bodied unemployed are in that situation because of drug and alcohol addiction.

Point being that many of us cross those silly lines that have been laid out for us by political and media blowhards as definitions of "right", "left", and "center". And the sooner we ignore their terms, and start respecting with each other, the sooner we can focus on agreeable solutions.
 

PureX

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corporations can't pay taxes
only people can
If we tax profit/income, that issue becomes moot. Start at $25000 for individuals, and $0 for businesses, and increase the percentage as the income/profit amount increases.

If we would do this, the vast majority of individual citizens would pay a very low tax rate. Most smaller businesses would pay a lower business tax rate. Only the huge businesses (which are bad for the economy) would have to pay huge tax bills.

Keep in mind that we don't want multi-billionaires, and giant global mega-corperations. They are bad for the economy, bad for government, bad for business, bad for the environment, and bad for the world in general.
 

chrysostom

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Hall of Fame
If we tax profit/income, that issue becomes moot. Start at $25000 for individuals, and $0 for businesses, and increase the percentage as the income/profit amount increases.

If we would do this, the vast majority of individual citizens would pay a very low tax rate. Most smaller businesses would pay a lower business tax rate. Only the huge businesses (which are bad for the economy) would have to pay huge tax bills.

Keep in mind that we don't want multi-billionaires, and giant global mega-corperations. They are bad for the economy, bad for government, bad for business, bad for the environment, and bad for the world in general.

keep in mind
that
they create jobs for the poor people you want to help
 

PureX

Well-known member
keep in mind
that
they create jobs for the poor people you want to help
No, they don't. They eliminate as many jobs as they possibly can, so as to increase their own investor profits. Which is why we need to tax those increased investment profits and use them to help the people who's jobs they have eliminated. The only jobs big business creates for poor people are jobs that pay so little that the poor people stay poor even though they work.
 

PureX

Well-known member
so who is creating all those jobs?
We are.

We grow the food, build the houses, make the cars, and move it all to where we need it. "Business" is just what we call the organization by which we do these things. The more money people have to buy things, the more jobs there will be producing and selling them. We don't want poor people, and we don't want super-rich people. And we don't want big, highly efficient businesses that make big profits using as few employees as possible. They are bad for us. They extract huge profits from our economy while giving very little back. And the profiteers use their huge gains to bribe and subvert government to gain an even greater advantage, and garner even greater profits, at everyone else's expense. They are a poison to our economy and society.

What we want are lots of small businesses that value their participants (workers and customers) as much as their profits. That doesn't happen when the business organization gets so big that the investors/owners no longer directly interact with their workers and customers. When that happens, they become immoral, inhuman, (anti-social) profit-taking 'machines'.

Bigger business is not better business. In fact, it's almost always bad business.
 
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