Why Did God create the being who He knew would become Satan?

Skywatch89

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Why Did God create the being who He knew would become Satan?

Would evil and sin still exist if Satan never existed?

Have you ever wondered why doesn’t God get rid of Satan right now, since He’s all-powerful?
 

Idolater

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Why Did God create the being who He knew would become Satan?

Open theists are going to push back on that He knew Satan would fall before He created all the angels.

Would evil and sin still exist if Satan never existed?

Tough to say. obv Biblically our first parents learned how to sin by the 'monkey-see,-monkey-do' method, so it's conceivable that without Satan we'd have never thought to sin.

But then the whole World came into being through the work of angels, is what we gather, from God feeling the need to create angels in the first place. Angels must be essential to the creation. Not mere ornaments; God must have used angels extensively to create the World.

Have you ever wondered why doesn’t God get rid of Satan right now, since He’s all-powerful?

God is in the process of getting rid of Satan rn.
 

Nick M

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Why Did God create the being who He knew would become Satan?

13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering:....

14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.


15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you.

I will ask again, why not just go with what the Bible says?
 
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ttruscott

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Why Did God create the being who He knew would become Satan?
ImCo, HE does NOT know the true free will decisions of HIS creation.

HE has made HIS desire for hell to be empty very clear:
  • 2 Peter 3:9: States God is patient, "not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance".
  • 1 Timothy 2:3–4: Highlights that God "desires all people to be saved".
  • Ezekiel 33:11: Expresses that God takes "no pleasure in the death of the wicked," preferring they turn from evil and live....yet at the same time
  • John 3:16–17: Explains that God sent His Son so the world might be saved rather than condemned.
at the same time HE tells us that HE only does what pleases HIM:
  • Psalm 115:3: "Our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases."
  • Psalm 135:6: "Whatever the Lord pleases He does, in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all deep places."
  • Revelation 4:11 (KJV): "...for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
  • Isaiah 46:10: "...My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my pleasure."
  • Ephesians 1:5, 9: Explains that God predestined believers for adoption and revealed His mysterious plan "according to the good pleasure of His will."
  • Philippians 2:13: "For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure."
This is enough proof for me to put my faith in rejecting the current favourite definition of omniscience that HE must know all that can be known for all eternity, past to future because...

all HE had to do to ensure hell was empty as HE desired was to not create those who HE knew would choose to end in hell. Period. So obviously at our creation HE did not know our future free will decisions.

Have you ever wondered why doesn’t God get rid of Satan right now, since He’s all-powerful?
Yes, until I realized the import of the story of the weeds and good seeds:
Matt 13:
27The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

So the servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them.
30Let both grow together until the harvest.


The weeds could have been sown on Mars and the good seed on Earth to keep them separate but these verses imply that the good seed needs them for some reason.

Though they are called good it is obvious these seeds are sinners because if the judgement against all sinners were called too soon they would be pulled up and destroyed also....so it seems to be implied that they somehow are affected or learn from their experiences with the evil weeds in a way that helps them to repent, to return to their Saviour and become fully sanctified.


Our interactions with these reprobate weeds is part of the discipline that we must go thru in our training unto righteousness which all legitimate children of GOD go thru:
Heb 12 5-11
4In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5And you have forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons:

“My son, do not take lightly the discipline of the Lord,
and do not lose heart when He rebukes you.
6For the Lord disciplines
[actually: scourges as to be whipped] the one He loves, and He chastises every son He receives.”
7Endure suffering as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? 8If you do not experience discipline like everyone else, then you are illegitimate children and not true sons. Furthermore, we have all had earthly fathers who disciplined us, and we respected them. Should we not much more submit to the Father of our spirits and live?

10Our fathers disciplined us for a short time as they thought best, but God disciplines us for our good, so that we may share in His holiness. 11No discipline seems enjoyable at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it yields a harvest of righteousness and peace to those who have been trained by it.
 
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ttruscott

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And that includes sending people that shake their fist at him to hell.
Of course it does but HE did not create them knowing HE would send them to hell while at the same time HE did not want anyone to perish in hell!

2 Timothy 2:13
Berean Standard Bible
if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

Hebrews 10:23
Let us hold resolutely to the hope we profess, for He who promised is faithful.
 
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