revpete
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WILL PENTECOSTALS TELL US WHY ??
Acts 18:24
They were baptised with John's baptism and John's baptism wasn't Christian baptism, rather it was a baptism of repentance/preparation which was done in public. So, they were baptised correctly and in public.
Acts 19:1
Again they were baptised but not with Christian baptism. After they were baptised correctly they were filled with The Holy Spirit as they began speaking in tongues etc... Again this was done publicly.
I'm sorry but I am unsure as to what you are getting at when you quote the verses from Peter. However, it is clear that baptism alone does not save us as in the case of Simon the sorcerer who believed and was baptised but his heart was not right. In other words there was no inner conversion Acts 8: 13,21.
Pete
Ok, how is it not inference, because nowhere in scripture does it say anything about being a public profession. Here is my proof, from scripture, that proves it is NOT a public profession.
The people in Ephesus were taught the gospel and water baptized but it wasn't "correct" water baptism. If water baptism is ONLY a public profession, how can it be done incorrectly?
Acts 18:24 Now a Jew named Apollos, an Alexandrian by birth, an eloquent man, came to Ephesus; and he was mighty in the Scriptures. 25This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he was speaking and teaching accurately the things concerning Jesus, being acquainted only with the baptism of John;
So when Paul rolls into town he asked if they had received the Holy Spirit when they believed. When he finds out they haven't, he doesn't ask them a single thing about what they were taught or if they truly believed, he asks them about their baptism. Why would Paul ask about baptism? He didn't question their belief and he knew they had been baptized. When he finds out about their baptism, the problem wasn't that is wasn't done in public or they had baptized themselves. It was water baptism done in public but it was not the correct baptism. When he discovers this is the problem, he baptizes them again with the correct baptism.
Acts 19:1 It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." 3And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism." 4Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
That's right, bible says saved through water. God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,
21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you
I disagree. It says baptism is "a pledge of a good conscience toward God" and "not the removal of dirt". He is clearly talking of baptism, why else would he lead of with "saved through water"? 21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Please show me.
Acts 18:24
They were baptised with John's baptism and John's baptism wasn't Christian baptism, rather it was a baptism of repentance/preparation which was done in public. So, they were baptised correctly and in public.
Acts 19:1
Again they were baptised but not with Christian baptism. After they were baptised correctly they were filled with The Holy Spirit as they began speaking in tongues etc... Again this was done publicly.
I'm sorry but I am unsure as to what you are getting at when you quote the verses from Peter. However, it is clear that baptism alone does not save us as in the case of Simon the sorcerer who believed and was baptised but his heart was not right. In other words there was no inner conversion Acts 8: 13,21.
Pete
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