Ah. I asked first.
Edit: Seriously- you've changed the goal posts. I asked about risks, and you responded about the approval process.
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Edit: Seriously- you've changed the goal posts. I asked about risks, and you responded about the approval process.
Meanwhile, back in reality:
Covid-19: Israel records no daily deaths for the first time in 10 months
The drop in deaths is seen as a promising sign as Israel vaccinates more than 50% of its population.
www.bbc.com
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More than a little scary that you don't understand that they are inextricably linked
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Meanwhile, back in the world of vaccine development, you guys are the animal testing phase. Congratulations Israel. You are lab rats.Meanwhile, back in reality:
Covid-19: Israel records no daily deaths for the first time in 10 months
The drop in deaths is seen as a promising sign as Israel vaccinates more than 50% of its population.www.bbc.com
The vaccines were approved on an emergency basis because we are living through an emergency. They have proven themselves safe and effective, both in the initial testing and in actual use. What's difficult to understand here?
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Well, no
Not for breast feeding infants
Not for people who die from clotting issues.
Again, no
Not in any normal sense of vaccine effectiveness.
But perhaps you're using an emergency sense of the word "effectiveness", which really means "not very effective and will still require the use of masks and social distancing and modified lockdown procedures"
How safe anything is is a matter of statistics- not individual cases. Certainly not individual cases where the connection hasn't been proven.
Effective means very effective, and the vaccine is already freeing us from social distancing and masks here in Israel, while infection rates have plummeted and hospital Covid wards are closing.
How do you define the effectiveness of a vaccine?
Edit: did you miss this link?
Covid-19: Israel records no daily deaths for the first time in 10 months
The drop in deaths is seen as a promising sign as Israel vaccinates more than 50% of its population.
www.bbc.com
Speaking of babies:
Why are so many babies dying of Covid-19 in Brazil?
As the pandemic rages in Brazil, hundreds of babies and young children are dying of Covid.
www.bbc.com
Ha ha. You guys have really drunk the Kool Aid.
Here's an interesting twist on anti-vaxxer insanity:
Miami school bars vaccinated teachers from seeing students
The fee-paying Miami school told staff vaccinated teachers might "transmit something" to students.
www.bbc.com
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It's "insanity" to want to wait until the clinical trials are completed?Here's an interesting twist on anti-vaxxer insanity:
Miami school bars vaccinated teachers from seeing students
The fee-paying Miami school told staff vaccinated teachers might "transmit something" to students.www.bbc.com
1. The clinical trial were completed a long time ago
2. They are banning vaccinated workers, as if they pose a threat to others. That's insane.
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Nope.
Not even close.
Yes, I saw that
Do you have any reason to believe that they don't, long term?
There is exactly as much evidence that being exposed to a vaccinated person is dangerous as there is that being exposed to someone with green eyes is dangerous. Maybe people with green eyes shouldn't be allowed to teach in schools?Nope.
Not even close.
Yes, I saw that
Do you have any reason to believe that they don't, long term?
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1. People with green eyes have been around for many many years. Mass inoculation with hurriedly produced and implemented vaccinations is a new phenomena about which we have no data. We are all Guinea pigs in this experiment.
2. You never met my first wife.
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Is that her in your profile picture?
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On her best day : eek:Is that her in your profile picture?
(I really miss the smileys) :sozo2:
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Further, I don't know the reasoning behind the policy in this particular school, but as I was flinging lead at noisy geese just now it occurred to me that some people might fear that a vaccine developed against a particular strain of covid might leave them more vulnerable to variants.
If we've learned anything from our experience over the last year it's that the "experts" don't know much. They're groping in the dark, same as the rest of us.
If we've learned anything from our experience over the last year it's that the "experts" don't know much. They're groping in the dark, same as the rest of us.
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Curiosity: From what I understand, the vaccine does not stop the virus "at all" just makes the symptoms milder, thus it doesn't 'seem' to me we can call this an immunization. I'm also hearing that if you get the shot now, if they do come up with an actual immunization, you'll not be able to get it, likely. Then I was thinking if I have the shot, only get a mild cold for symptoms, will I actually give it to more people, because I think I'm 'immunized?' This particular has me puzzled because I'm actually hearing from doctors, first responders, and nurses that are holding off from getting the shot at this particular time. I've a pretty good mind, but am about brow-beat whenever I tell anybody "I'm considering not getting the shot." Some of my friends are talking about not letting me in their homes if I don't, which makes it a bit more problematic for decision making. Seems like a very important decision and not to be entered lightly.