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  1. Derf

    Does Open Theism make us view eschatology differently?

    Fir instance: If the antichrist is a person who is born close to the time of the prophetic fulfillment, then how does God know how he will act? Is it because of human nature, tainted by sin? Is it because of Satan's influence (and God knew Satan before the prophecies were written)? Or does God...
  2. Derf

    On the omniscience of God

    The antichrist, for instance. But let's take it to the other thread, if you don't mind. Thread 'Does Open Theism make us view eschatology differently?' https://theologyonline.com/threads/does-open-theism-make-us-view-eschatology-differently.60950/
  3. Derf

    Does Open Theism make us view eschatology differently?

    It seems unreasonable to think that nobody will follow Satan. And mob-think is certainly a predictable force for evil, if not also for good sometimes (positive peer pressure). Based on 4000 years of experience, would the Holy Spirit be that uncertain that many would rebel?
  4. Derf

    Does Open Theism make us view eschatology differently?

    Sure, but if you can, filter out the effects of MAD for the time being, to keep the topic as simple and direct as possible.
  5. Derf

    Does Open Theism make us view eschatology differently?

    How God can know the future impacts what He tells us of it. So if He tells us of specific acts of specific people, then either it is because those people existed when the prophecy was written, or someone that existed at that time will be causing the actions, which is the type of determinism that...
  6. Derf

    On the omniscience of God

    I think that's all true, and I wonder if the open theism paradigm can help explain some of the inscrutable eschatology call passages Christians struggle to understand. I remember reading the Left Behind series up through the locusts with scorpion tails, and I felt there was an element missing...
  7. Derf

    On the omniscience of God

    Please be careful to fully quote the sentence, as it was confusing what you were responding to. Why do you think it is wrong to murder? What makes it a sin that exceeds God's authority as the creator? I'm not disagreeing, just curious where your thought processes are going.
  8. Derf

    On the omniscience of God

    I'm not saying, by the way, that I think the determination of what is just is something that comes from outside of God. But the question by Abraham recognized that God will always be just in His decisions, including wiping a city off the map along with its inhabitants.
  9. Derf

    On the omniscience of God

    They can "survive" any scripture, because they don't want to admit what it says.
  10. Derf

    On the omniscience of God

    Genesis 18:25 (YLT) Far be it from Thee to do according to this thing, to put to death the righteous with the wicked; that it hath been -- as the righteous so the wicked -- far be it from Thee; doth the Judge of all the earth not do justice?'
  11. Derf

    On the omniscience of God

    Ok. Yes, but what do we mean by "foreknowledge about the saints"? I'm saying it isn't expressly and personally every saint that will ever be, but rather all those saints as a group. Or what God the Father wants us to do, since that's what Jesus did. Yes, and maybe a combination of the two.
  12. Derf

    On the omniscience of God

    Sure. Why does that matter? He surely knows there will be some saints, so He predestinated them to something, as befitting saints, fellow heirs, His children... :p Of course it can and does. All individuals who believe in Christ are included in the group that He predestinated to be conformed...
  13. Derf

    On the omniscience of God

    Foreknowledge about whom, predestination to what. You're conflating things. I can't tell whether the foreknowledge precedes or is simultaneous in this passage. "According to" is chronologically ambiguous. But since Peter is talking to gentile believers here (though I'm sure my MAD friends...
  14. Derf

    On the omniscience of God

    If they are known, then they must have been determined. If they are foreknown, they must have been predetermined. That's how language works. No. Just because YOU know, doesn't mean YOU predetermined. But somebody did. And because somebody did, it was predetermined. Are you saying that if you...
  15. Derf

    On the omniscience of God

    And therefore already determined. I'm open to your suggestions about who is doing the determining, as long as that individual exists at the time the future events become known. Not unnecessary. Perfect foreknowledge means they are already determined. Yes. Somebody must, if He knows the...
  16. Derf

    Is Faith Without Works Dead?

    But I don't see why a warning doesn't convey a command, just like "or you will die" was a warning, where God forbade them to eat of the tree.
  17. Derf

    Is Faith Without Works Dead?

    What is a 1% free will?? Are you saying that God makes 99 out of every 100 choices for us?
  18. Derf

    On the omniscience of God

    All scholars are open theists in practice. They have to be, or they would never do anything. Nobody in practice thinks, "I'm eating this meal, picking my teeth, lusting after that girl, etc., because God foreordained it for me before the foundation of the world.
  19. Derf

    Is Faith Without Works Dead?

    Do I understando you correctly? The forbadence is only to those under the law? Yes, agreed. Why would you be interested in fulfilling the law?
  20. Derf

    Is Faith Without Works Dead?

    So you're saying God forbids that we sin? Sounds like a commandment.
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