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Yes I would agree provided that the treatment is effective and does not pose a significant risk to the patient. Which is why SIT appears to be the better approach. Until the proponents of CT/RT do the hard work to prove their approach is safe for minors, can we agree that given you points...

Opinion of the Court, Lawrence V Texas You did not that the fact that it is not enforced against heterosexual and particularly married couples in their homes is the basis for the equal treatment claim in Lawrence? At the Lawrence was decided, 17 states had sodomy laws on the books that...

In the long run, yes. You can detoxify the addict and try to help them as best you can but in the end it is that person who will decide whether or not to take that next drink or drug. I don't see that will be an issue since SIT is not trying to force that outcome but if it does become a...

As far as the physical acts involved the only difference is the genders of the participants. Since Heterosexuals also can have HIV/AIDS, etc. etc. etc., your defining help is not so helpful. Actually, it was both, particularly in Lawrence the Court was clear in raising the question of why the...

The parent's values or desires are relevant only in how the patient wants to address them. Even assuming that sexual orientation is changeable, it is something that could only be accomplished if the subject strongly desires such a change. If the driving force is external to the subject, such...

It was previously done through state sodomy laws but the problem that arose was that there is nothing homosexuals do in the bedroom that heterosexuals don't also do. States found it increasingly hard to enforce sodomy laws against heterosexual couples who objected to the government intruding...

The values are those of the patient, that is the difference. If the patient's religious values are more important to them than their same-sex desires then the outcome would likely not be pro-homosexual. You are correct though it doesn't mean they cannot necessarily coexist but there is...

There is no legal issue, SIT is not attempting to change or diminish a sexual orientation but help a patient learn to deal with them and the conflicts they raise in relation to what values are important to them. Phillips is in trouble again because he failed to note exactly why the court ruled...

From the sounds of it, it seems more patient affirmation therapy, unlike RT, CT, or GAT; it appears focused on the needs and wants of the patient instead of what others want the patient to be.

From what little I've read so far SIT does not set out to change the patient's orientation so that is not an issue.

I did find it interesting that in one of the articles I read, someone expressed a concern that it might be conversion therapy under a different name. I tend to think that when you concern the activists on both sides you might be on to the right track. *laughs*

It is quite clear now from your responses on this alternative that you never really cared about these troubled youths. You will now deny them a chance to safely resolve their confusion in the name of group politics and your crusade against homosexuality. You, sir, are a hypocrite, no different...

What I am finding interesting is presented with an APA approved, safer alternative to CT/RT that allows for a confused Christian LGBT youth to reach a similar outcome as CT/RT if that is what that youth really wants, CW is now the one who wants to deny those youths help based on group politics...

Why should I have added that? I was simply correcting a statment that ECT was not used anymore, not commenting on how it was used. It is possible that it might be used as you suggest on some 'gay' youths but as a treatment for severe depression. It would be if the therapist in not finding...

I never claimed it was, do keep your stories straight. Of course not and I don't suggest that it should. The point is not ignoring a patient's issues but inserting presuppositions and acting on them in treatment. I generally don't judge an entire community on the basis of one ******* on a...

Electroconvulsive Therapy and Other Depression Treatments I'm sure you can, please don't. You are absolutely correct that there are cases where trauma and abuse occurred and contributed to the subject's mental distress. It doesn't make the assumptions and means by which conversion therapy...

You asking me to get down further in the weeds than I am qualified to speak to, unlike you, I am not going to pretend I know more than the medical professionals but I'll try. The therapies are often based on outdated or even wrong theories on what causes homosexuality. One is the belief that...

He does seem to be stuck on the falsehood that it is illegal for them to seek licensed psychological counseling.

Specifically conversion and reparative therapies, these are the most common still in practice but there are others which are less common, that seek to change a person's sexual orientation based on outdated or unproven pseudo-scientific theories that have little evidence that they are effective...

Well, from previous responses it is clear he knows that there are other treatments and he simply doesn't believe in them. Again, I would defer to the experts and not him on that subject. I find it amusing when the supporters of conversion therapy say the medical community is kowtowing to the...