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Are you including that God created everything else as well, all those extra inputs? I'm not bothered about being a creation but appreciate God for what I have and the sense that I'm able to appreciate. I was made this way, nothing lacking in that.

It was mysterious to me at one time as well. It comes from the 'way' one reads the scriptures and with certain filters in mind, involved. "Born again" was something akin to 'born of the Spirit' today in scope, but they are saying that the passage has a narrower scope: Nicodemus and...

So they didn't love before they sinned??? "We love 'because' He first loved us." LOVE makes love. "Waffle?" Nope. You are deifying yourself if you think you 'created' love. God did. If you have it, God made it. Why? I get the knee-jerk that you have to 'freely choose it' but it...

You know more about alchemy, and that not as much as you think, than you do the scriptures. It is a force upon the text. It is wrongheaded. There are books on #'s, patterns, and alchemy, they are incorrect. He told you: if it agrees with the context, well and fine if extrapolated and...

Understand your contention, but 'good' is in the eye of the Omni. Whatever He made would be 'good' in the sense that it reflects the perfect will of the Omnipotent because it'd follow His being and rules. What we call 'good' is a reflection of His values and intent, thus leads to...

Questions are to elicit answers from another's perspective. Of course I don't understand per say, hence...questions. This discussion is to 'help' me understand and hopefully give the other side's concerns. Let me float it this way: Almost all of us believe Omni. Enter an Open Theist...

Nor then, by extension, Omnicompetent if you follow the links and logic. Again, this does not mean omnicompetent then? Does Open Theism mean in the context of omnicompetent, He cannot lose unless He is competent to allow such? How is this not all-powerful, all-knowledgeable, and sovereign...

The Septuagint which Our Lord Jesus read from, says "παντοκράτωρ" : All-potent is the meaning of El Shaddai. Fact.

You didn't read the link? Maybe you missed the post? He gives the context for the assertion and the whys. Challenge accepted. Scripture is replete that God is all-powerful. "Nothing can thwart Thee, Nothing is impossible," etc. Scripture is so clear that God is omnipotent, that it is...

Consider their context a moment: God 'who is greater' knows all things. The sentence legitimately goes beyond hearts in that sentence. I see their point.

All means all. Mighty means potent. The Hebrew is that clear.

You aren't following: if one omni, all omnis. Way ahead of the conversation to be making value statements that don't apply. Prove them wrong. Engage the thread. Prove them wrong.

Digs notwithstanding, argue the points. It is a pointless discussion to have vitriol involved here. "Fraud" doesn't work. These are not my thoughts of origin. I concur with minds before me that logically, if one omni, then all. Almighty (Omni-potent literally) is a scriptural given...

Somebody just told me I don't listen... Somebody just told me I don't listen... Iron sharpens iron, no? You are an independent interpreter? I appreciate you, but even with you and I alone, we are not the sum of Scripture understanding and wisdom. I'm not saying I disagree on this point...

LOL. Sounds oddly familiar. Why don't you understand that omni anything means omni everything? Let's try omnicompetent, an OV given with the chess analogy: If God knows all about chess, He knows every move possible (omniscient), has power to stop anything outside of the rules established...

Omni-intelligent? Works for me. If you understand something 'infinitely,' doesn't that entail all knowledge there-of? I believe the passage is omni-compelling. Infinite means infinite.

Makes sense. Thank you and good thread, Nick.

Wanted to hit these points: O.o Psalm 147:5 Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite. The Jews believed this long before Plato, Aristotle, and Augustine. This is brief from a Jewish website but several of the Jewish 'foundations' are declare the omnis of...

I'm not talking about that text other than to say it absolutely 'doesn't' limit that knowledge, just gives 'hearts' as what else He knows all things about. You do too, the point of departure is how far we understand that knowledge. See Maimonides, a Jewish commentator on the Torah. Jews then...

In scope, agree but other passages lead to the broad perspective and disagreement. Open Theism caveats 'all things' as 'all things knowable' which is a derivative theology, a hypothesis that drives understanding of Who God is. I'd guess you've heard the logical statement: 'if one omni...