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I'm not sure it's off topic. It helps to understand if Jesus might have given the story of Lazarus and the Rich man as a parable, rather than a factual event. But I agree it could be starting to go down the wrong path.

Going back to what it means to be human and what death is, in the view I'm espousing here, if a human dies, and there is no function or sentience or relationship or anything, it's as if he ceased to exist. And if a human is made up of three parts, then when one of those parts ceases to exist...

Not always: [Mat 21:45 KJV] And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

Not at the expense of ingraining man's traditions as if they are as important as God's laws, which seemed to be Jesus's point. But elsewhere Jesus told the people to do everything the pharisees said to do, just don't do as they did. [Mat 23:3 KJV] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe...

Handwashing? I'm not sure Jesus was trying to deal here with handwashing. The levitical laws and priestly duties are a better place to look. I'm not all that familiar with the handwashing rituals, or where they came from, but Jesus didn't seem to think they were necessary to keep a person holy...

You don't know that. Dust isn't useless, but I'll agree with the second part. You remember the context, right? That Jesus was talking to people who didn't believe in the resurrection at all? So He used the example of the Patriarchs as an illustration of "resurrection", not that they were still...

@Clete: I went back to the other thread and picked up a few quotes from your posts to me. BUt I'm not sure I got the most important ones. Please let me know if I haven't addressed all that you'd like me to. I'm in complete agreement with you on the first one, but I'm not so sure about the second...

Which part of this confusing to you? You can see that they had a practice of washing before they ate, but the Pharisees thought it was a heart command, not a health command. Jesus set them straight.

Not for almost 2 years in some places. Definitely an overreaction. The plague is an interesting example, because it highlights biblical measures that could have been taken to minimize the reach, like burying fecal matter and taking rotting garbage away from homes and businesses. I’m not...

The risk level can be reduced by everybody taking note of their own symptoms and not going out to share them with others. Mandating lockdowns for healthy people was harmful to society in general and to some people specifically.

I declare [whatever is wrong with skeeter] to be a lethal, communicable disease in the midst of a health crisis. There. The authorities will be by to pick you up shortly.

I read that the normal shot schedule here in Colorado had the kids getting some 78 inoculations by age 12, even before covid.

And you think that means I said Lazarus was in torment? I’m not seeing it.

In the passage nobody was really physically dead, including the man’s father. If nobody was physically dead, but one was about to be, and the other is compared to him, then both were about to be physically dead, just one sooner than the other. If the son was waiting around for his father to die...

Then you’ll have to wait until I go back and deal with your earlier post more thoroughly.

I’m certainly more confused after reading your post. I never said Lazarus was in torment.

Hi Way! I don’t understand how what you said here relates to what you quoted from me. I don’t have a problem with the use of the same word for different things, but context needs to inform us as to what they mean.

In case you missed it, the rich man was already suffering punishment. How could that be unless he had already been judged? And in case you missed it, only the rich man was said to be in Hades. That doesn’t mean Lazarus wasn’t, but it is inferred, not explicit. So who’s twisting scripture to fit...

Scripture, please?

Not here, it shouldn’t. That’s not what this thread is about. I moved this one here to avoid disrupting another thread, so you are welcome to do the same. You may even tag me, if you like, but it may be awhile before I respond.