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I would be happy to get someone more stable than Trump, but I think his instability allowed him to do some good things others would be hesitant to do. Abbott has shown some promise, but only after a slow start. DeSantis looks better imo, but I'm not sure where he stands on abortion. I do prefer...

So you are saying that Trump is replacing the legacy, deranged leadership with new and improved deranged leadership?

Here's one internet source of similar thinking. And I'm not arguing with Bob's definition of life--it's hard to, seeing that it admits of being ambiguous on some points. How is physical death related to spiritual death? (from GotQuestions.org) ANSWER The Bible has a great deal to say about...

Well, thanks for your inputs. I appreciate your direct and weighty refutations.

And if you don’t think you’re preaching to the choir, you missed Idolater’s point.

That is human death by a consensus of those that believe it already, which is circular. I’m asking you to consider it might not be correct. I am suggesting that such a definition is assumed a priori rather than determined from the usage in scripture. And you’ve shown by your responses that you...

I think you’re missing his point. RD was saying that Peter and James were written to someone besides gentile Christians, and Idolater was pointing out the inconsistency in his approach.

Mat 10:28 is definitely a good one to bring in to the discussion. But just like you need a different definition of death (“separation”) than one that works in our everyday experience, a different understanding may be needed to understand what Jesus was saying. If “death” is really a complete end...

Ok, would you tie that back in to the thread topic? I think you are saying that the "born again" requirement is only for the Jews, and it's NOT about either salvation or death and resurrection. Did I get that right? In which case, I think you (singular) can safely discard the part of the OP...

Ok, I'll consider that. He did say, "Except A MAN be born again" [Jhn 3:3 KJV] 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. That seems altogether possible, on all sides.

Would you say, RD, that @Idolater is incorrect in coupling 1 Peter 1:3 with John 3:16? If your answer is "Yes", then you would recognize the need for ALL believers to be "born again" as Jesus described to Nicodemus? If your answer is "No", then is there a need or a state of being "born again"...

I'm glad you caught that. I'm suggesting the same is true here. But we only come to a firm grasp on reality when we interpret scripture and reality correctly. So a broad declaration of something that's only understandable from a broad scope of the bible is ripe for misunderstanding.

That’s the same way traditional theists say they come up with the idea that God knows the future exhaustively.

Yes, and the “hath begotten” is in reference to our being “in” Jesus Christ. So we were once dead, in that there was no hope for life to continue. Now we are alive in Christ, whereby we know that our lives will continue after we die—through resurrection. That’s why we are “begotten unto a lively...

The part I have a problem with is where does the “separation” definition come from?

Why does that matter in this topic, RD?

That’s an excellent way to discuss, Idolator! here it is: 1 Peter 1:3 (KJV) Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, I’ve underlined where this...

I’ve brought this topic up before, but I was inspired by a @Bob Enyart radio program to take this alternative approach (though I don’t think Bob agrees with my view). I’m proposing that death is not to be defined as “separation from God”, which is traditionally the Church’s view admittedly, but...

My wording was not correct. It was a crowd WITH women, elderly, and children. Derrick Chauvin's crime against a man seemingly resisting arrest started a spree of violent riots, dubbed "mostly peaceful" by the MSM, that resulting in multi-millions of dollars in loss to businesses, multiple...

So the people were moving their own kids out? Not the police trying to get them to move them out? You’re confirming what I’ve written. Not that they were specifically targeting women, children and elderly, but that they were in the crowd. If this wasn’t an overreaction to a peaceful protest...