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Ask Clete: If someone rejects Pauline authority and apostleship, does it damage both their Christian identification, and their walk with Christ? I am just starting to study implications, but I believe they are dire. Your thoughts and study? Thanks.

Er, but if it points that way? How addicted to your own theology are you? Lots are, very much here on TOL. It is why I get 'whishy washy' but I'm more honest with God about asking Him to make me more like Him instead of always thinking "I've" found it!" Some call it whishy washy, I call it...

I don't believe you have to be Mid Acts at all to see Divine arrangement. What you'd expect to see, is that as Christians organized these books, they'd have placed them in a semblance of order. If such points to Mid Acts, we'd all be well encouraged to consider the theology thereof. What...

Yet flat-out rejecting Pauline Apostleship and authority from Christ, IS rejecting Christ (as well as any sense at all of what it means to be gentile Christian). If you reject Paul, you've made a grave error.

I've met a few people recently who reject Paul's writings as nonauthoritative. "He was a good guy, got a lot of stuff wrong." Obviously, I'd think, the impetus is upon sexual sin etc. They believe Christ allows for homosexuality and believe Paul too hard on women. I would and will...

Maybe even they didn't know? We don't have a name on Ruth, Samuel is mentioned as traditionally the author. We don't know the author of Job, Job himself? Moses? Samuel? True for most of us. Some will argue emphatically "Paul."

Try something for me, humor me: Go to your favorite bible program and search "Changed mind." I've taken all kinds of grief for saying it is never found in scriptures, but try it for me. Try to also use a word for word translation like KJV or NASB, because it cannot give you a paraphrase...

Just exactly what any one word means. If we translate a word to mean three words, it becomes a bit tenous. When the King James was translated, they attempted word for word translation: One Hebrew word, one English Word. One Greek word, one English word. If we see three words in place of...

Not a tangent. I have to ask "What does 'that's so rad' mean, and could you possibly say this rephrased in a way that would be more meaningful to me?" Similarly "I changed my mind" has never added up. Sure I understand it when you say "I changed my mind, I will let this go, don't go to...

I'm trying to follow, would: "God meets our need, thus cannot be immutable"? be the summation of this argument?

It didn't say classical theism was absurd, it said 'if pushed literally, changing one's mind is an absurdity.' The app then said that 'mind' doesn't mean 'brain' when used that way, but it absolutely agreed and even gave better statements that better fit what actually happens whenever we make...

Sure, much better and more accurate than "changed His mind." While many translations/paraphrases would intimate 'changed His mind' the problem is if a theologian, layman or otherwise, insists on it. It is simply not scripturally accurate and 'dumbed down' sloppy so 'the layman gets it' but...

Me: The problem is God's impassivity by translation. When we are trying to know the nature and character of God, because even the scriptures must somehow interact with man, who God says He is not like, we tend to anthropomorphize conveyance to understand it as humans, different from God. The...

The one problem: are we reading paraphrase or actual intent? If we stick to some one's particular rendition, have we bought that particular translator(s) paraphraser's rendition that can be off?

If I actually knew you, we'd be friends. You get mad at me a lot, but I know you. Do you really know me? If exasperating, we simply disagree and you will not entertain that you can be anything but right. It is a huge OV trait. I believe it is brainwashing because all of you become...

Yup, me too. I've been away a long time, basically a 4 month ignore on my part. I get it. I have it too. Open Theism clouds issues from practical understanding or dialogue: there is literally no such thing as 'changing one's mind.' You cannot grab your brain and exchange it. Because...

Glad I took the sabbatical. With mindless non-sequiturs like this, I'll keep on my sabbatical. You both lose by inane banter. Open Theism will always be a joke as long as stuff like this makes it one. You simply have to stand up like men when honest, serious questions, challenge your...

These apply specifically in the accusation that I don't quote scripture often. So far in thread I've been accused of not quoting scripture, not being honest, etc. I used to think I only had one accuser :( Is it possible that someone is so vested in their own theology that they'd call...

*cough cough* Note that it is a commentary by an Open Theist, not scriptures. Why? Because you will never find "God changed His mind." "Liar" not with any kind of standing. It is reckless to make the assertion. Granted Open Theism must have it true, but it is not. You'll never...

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