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Very long, please allow me to edit quite a bit out but it is still very long. I recommend only addressing what peaks your interest. I'll continue to try and pare down as much as I can. Ignore anything of small import if you respond and ty. Except there were many churches, and while Paul...

First, I'm not sure I responded. Second, for Derf (just one of many) 2 Timothy 3:16 Isaiah 55:11. That said: Proverbs 4:7 (JR, you forgot to link your verses as you often ask me to do, was familiar with the set, so didn't need to look it up, but maybe others need it).

For what reason? It, in fact is true. Why must you have God unable to know the future? Let me say this again: You will never find a verse that says God changed His mind. Open Theists repeat this and repeat this and it doesn't exist anywhere in scripture. "For what reason?" Every...

Isn't a strawman, there is no other reason any Open Theist ever has given. It thus may be 'your' strawman, (it isn't, you have often argued about your free will in conversations as a concern), but it isn't an Open Theist free will strawman. Open Theism, is free will theism, even your own...

True, but I was asking why Open Theism cares 'when' God knows anything. I, of course know the answer: "Because I wanna be as free as I think I am and hate anything that seems to take that away." True? There is no other reason I know of to care, and I don't. Here is the thing: I...

Well, I love you guys, truly. We are at a standstill and that is okay. I see Open Theism consistently deny God knows where Adam is, even though He knows at that exact moment the number of hairs on his head. I see Open Theism deny Jesus knew Peter was going to deny Him three times exactly...

I realize this makes perfect sense to an Open Theist, but the problem is, if you follow the logic down the road, it never adds up. You have to be inconsistent in what you believe God knows and doesn't know with any given text, with the assumption that it is much less than what I get from the...

Not quite following this. Would appreciate a paragraph.

What? Do I have to cave to you? That is the demand? You haven't been as cogent in argument as you believe you have, so yes, good faith. Difference between me and a few TOL Open Theists for posterity: I don't care about my theology. I care about God. I do not emote and get hurt...

All is all. While I appreciate 'trying' to put stipulations on His knowledge, such to protect prior concepts that must be analyzed and stand up under scrutiny and the Open Paradigm goes way too far and actually denies "all things." You aren't even willing to entertain it, even with the...

Doubt doesn't matter. It is simply true that Peter said "you know all things." Why would it even come up if it weren't true? Why not just say: "You know my heart, you know I love you"? I'm not seeing it as false. What I'm seeing is Peter denying because he was willing to lie to save...

Yes, but we aren't talking about a best guess, we are talking about prophecy in which Jesus couldn't be wrong. No. It just doesn't make sense to even entertain the idea. 3 times and a rooster crowing. Can God 'make' that happen? Sure, but we aren't given that as anywhere near evident...

Remember again, that was after His resurrection.

This is a contrast between those with the Spirit and those without, He continues "this should not be!"

Do you reckon He knows it now? Realized He divested Himself of deity to take on a human body. ...at that time. Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Others have expressed the Jesus immediately gave them the signs leading up...

Sorry, Clete said "whishy washy' and so it forced a strong stance at that venture, but it is good in the sense that it has brought up a stark need for discussion. I understood why I was put on ignore and appreciate it. 🆙 "Before the rooster crows, you will have denied me (exactly) three...

It is VERY hard to not see omniscience in Peter and Jesus' dialogue without a very hard song and dance (gently, but firmly): Matthew 26:33 Peter answered and said unto him, Though all men shall be offended because of thee, yet will I never be offended. 34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto...

Are we comparing fruit? Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Long-suffering, and Self-control? Are they not all of the same 'tree?'

Rather, it was the breaking. They weren't 'free' to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The act and eating of the fruit of the tree were one and the same: knowledge and 'freedom' of good and evil. It was always a trading of masters. We were always owned. "Free" is a...

Of course, wherefore would the Serpent have lied? It isn't a bad suggestion. We either see the serpent as Satan, possessed, or a wicked animal? Creation can be good. The book of Job tells us Satan had access and conversation with God. If the serpent were kept in a cage, it'd have saved...