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No, it was a question. I'm trying to understand why that particular context. It would seem (yes? no?) that Jesus wanted to bring gentiles into the picture of His redemption. Perhaps entertain the Mid Acts position: How would gentiles have been included if Israel had accepted their...

Understood. Subject ✓ Verb ✓ You've elucidated it with me. We aren't in whole disagreement just me calling it God's. Man, in his fallen state has some characteristics of 'god' in that we are created in His image, though broken. If there is wisdom left, it is from Him. We likely...

Let me take a step back. I realize that the whole "Born again" applied specifically through Israel and that it conflates a bit. I don't want to be seen as objecting to that. Rather I'm trying to see, if only the moniker particularly is the problem or if 'born of Spirit' is yet our...

He passed away last year. He was Open Theist but believe, like many in the charismatic movement, he was more Covenant in theology. Even in our disagreements, it does help to know where we all were coming from.

Thank you. No, but the details were there in mind. I've been accused of being Mid Acts (accused isn't the right word, I've been told I'm well within Mid Acts thinking). In that, I agree a lot with Mid Acts but for me "whole world" means whole world. I suppose it places me a bit on the...

Realize you don't all agree among yourselves. It'll help. I do get this and understand. Let me ask: do you see any things 'that are the same' in this passage between Israel and us gentile Christians today? He didn't "so love the 'world?'" Naw, just answer whether anything is the same...

Even if I were MidActs, I don't believe I'd draw this starkly: John 3:16 enters a world, thus gentile concern of condition met. It means that it becomes a universal message and universal salvation in scope. "Born Again" to Barna means the same thing as 'salvation' to them. It isn't a...

:z No it is not. You cannot 'born' yourself nor can 'born again' yourself. That which is born 'of' spirit is spirit. It is a condition to be met and only Jesus could and did meet it.

Talking with a few MAD, 'born again' was specifically to Nicodemus and so they see this and salvation as separate. So, the question must be (from that Mid Acts perspective) is: What is the same if any? What is different? First: What is different? A) Jesus is talking to Nicodemus...

Gee whiz, Clete. Admit when you are wrong. It might not be the version you use, but that was the quote! 0.o What does 2 Timothy 3:15 say in your version? I'm still pretty set on a lot of disagreements on TOL being often over the English language translations of Scripture. On point: I...

It isn't confusing. It is where I started "Scriptures are able to make you wise." Fairly clear against objections. Acceptable definition and avenue for wisdom. All this because I said "reading the scriptures will make you wise?" Well, I think I see where and why you entered thread. It...

Thanks. I think we are mostly on page. There are a few points of minor disagreement. Treat 2 Timothy 3:15 for me if you've the time and ty. As for 'wisdom,' it is different from reasoning. Proverbs 9:10; 19:7 For me on point: There is no wisdom that isn't God's. So we agree...

Uhhgg, if mine was unclear, so is yours here. You cannot have sound reasoning without "sound reasoning" instruction. The Fall left us in need of it. Not tracking. People have to read scripture to have sound reasoning. Without God's thoughts, there is no such thing. God is seen in...

I'm at a loss. Even you cannot mean that wisdom isn't God's. Explain please. I agree otherwise, my intent is to say God is working on us. You bet we need to study. If that's all, its onesided (my only point, not in disagreement with the former, but we are in a relationship that is...

Did you READ those verses? 1 Corinthians 2:14 says a man without God's Spirit cannot understand/accept God's wisdom. My point was that God is active in this world. We do our diligence but God is working on me. I'm not alone, neither are you else you'd be completely subject to your grade...

All Latinos eat tacos. Generalization or exaggeration? Study. Ah, nice old-school comeback, overused do you think? 🤔 I know what my education and yours is. You are an intelligent guy but try not to be this audacious in your return assessments (change it up please)? They say more...

Huge difference between 'all things' with man and 'all things' with God. In your former, it is definitely implied "all things pertinent to this topic." I don't believe you can readily apply the same to God knowing all things. There is no context implied. Grammar ftw?

It depends on one's reading level, but reading scripture does cause sound reasoning. 2 Timothy 3:16 Isaiah 55:11. That said: Proverbs 4:7 in agreement.

No, not rambling at all. I appreciate your story. Another reason I ask is because it helps see where another is coming from, what motivations there are behind thoughts. Regardless of the stark differences between our theologies on one front, I do appreciate Mid-Acts teaching and...

Suggesting that Peter was given to exaggeration? 🤔 Anticipating this, I gave two other scriptures. If the Bible teaches "knows all things" and even in Open Theism: "Knows all things possible" it concedes these scriptures else even Open Theism would have absolutely no ground for "knows...