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Tired. Saying it is so regardless. :doh: All of those mean 'sustain.' You just like arguing to argue. You were wrong and you know it. Be changed by truth, don't entrench with your fingers in your ears. Don't be arguing 'just' to argue. There is no point to this dialogue or interjection.

Have a link? https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/blog/2010/01/20/mormon-thought-vs-ope-theism (yes, that David Paulsen LDS and that Clark Pinnock Open Theist) Important point: Don't be 'stupid' about it. If we hold something actually in common, I'll not be offended but will do the leg...

Sunisteo is where we get 'sustain.' You are literally wrong. Control and sustain aren't synonymous, if that was the hang up. Needs some definitions. What do you mean by 'force?' Example: 2 Corinthians 5:14-19 Love in this case, is a force, that God uses which 'constrains' (one form of...

God is the Originator of the entire universe. There is nothing in it that He is restricted from. You are missing my point. God is 'unable' to sin. What we were discussing were definitions and I yet believe 'limitation' carries problematic concerns. Is God 'limited' to only not sinning...

Intent is 3/4. A 'little' isn't even on the docket, but rather a difference and specifically who. If you believe 'like' a Mormon, that sir, is no ad hominem. It is rather a classification, like 'Calvinist' that draws the line in a marker again so it is understood that when you make an...

"How we got here" is helpful especially for those of us not Open Theists (me and the rest of Christianity). What did you believe before you became an Open Theist? How did you jump the hurdles? How big were they at the time? How resistant or ready were you upon hearing about Open Theism?

It is sad, envious, glorious news. We will all meet again: 2 Samuel 12:23

No. 2 Timothy 2:13 Not a 'limitation' however, as I understand one. Generally a limitation is 'short of a perfection,' an inability. God doesn't deny Himself because He is 'unable' but rather because He is consistently good (no darkness at all). It thus is not a limitation, but a...

I'm not sure it is part of this thread, but briefly the argument in theology circles is if God is Almighty, He logically can assert it as the only power source in and outside of existence (more than the universe). The argument: If One claims omnipotence, He is simultaneously claiming...

It is a guessed supposition based on an understanding. I've argued this a number of times on TOL: If I own an Almanac from the future, Lon has absolutely no power over anything that will happen. I was laughing at a joke by Nate Bargatze, He said if he were able to go back into the past, he...

Trying to figure out how it fits with His morality (thread). Ty Perhaps a different thread for discussion: For me, if one omni, all of them by definition and logic but answers a different thread than this one, unless I'm just not making the connection. I'm opposed to a limitation of any kind...

Scripture has to answer: Romans 10:9-10 Comes after these: Romans 3:23 All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God Romans 5:8 God loves us, even in sin Romans 6:23 Because the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. 1) Saved thus means...

Ray Comfort and Elon Musk know each other?? Agree on the former Romans 10:14,15 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they...

It be a whole different conversation with me involved. Psalm 139:7,8 for example... However I'm trying to follow this regarding God's Morality? Appreciate a bit of the big picture of the tie-in as I'm lost on this finer point anyone? Please and thank you in advance anyone (not just for...

Well and good, but none of that includes a need for a choice, which is the point (I'll come back to it, but this is all I have left for time tonight). We are rather discussing if "a different and more specifically 'opposing' decision/choice' is necessary 'for choice." We are getting into...

Yes. As far as my traditional view, with scriptures in mind, I don't have a horse in this race, but the two ideas have a cake/eat dichotomy. For the Open Theist, it is 1) God moves uni-durational but 2) the concept of 'time' isn't a thing that exists, rather it is a concept that applies...

Time is the factor difference for all of us to know anything. If I adopt the OV paradigm that God must discover, in timeless sense, all of time is 'now' with but constructs. Analogy, 3 blind men talking about an elephant: One a large snake, another trees in a forest, and the third a...

Seems more like cake and eating it too, to me. If it doesn't exist, then it wasn't 'before' God created either, right?

Good thing I asked the short in the last sentence! (thank you for weighing in). In a nutshell, the Summit Clock Experiment It was one of those points where I was trying to see if Open Theists among themselves disagree, or whether I was missing a subtle difference because of importance for...