gcthomas
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After the first two disabling shots, not very fast at all, Knight.
So what do you think the legal rationale for the next 14 shots was?
17 Year Old Shot And Killed By Cop
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After the first two disabling shots, not very fast at all, Knight.
So what do you think the legal rationale for the next 14 shots was?
most of us will never know what it is like to put up with punks like this
gcthomas
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Which punks? The punk kid walking away from the cops? Or the punk cop who first disabled the boy, then proceeded to execute rather than arrest and charge him?
He was "terrorizing" no one. The maniac who did the shooting was reloading when someone had to tell him to stop.
This case may be too egregious for this guy to get away with it--which just tells you we've pretty much crossed so many lines it's taken an outrage this bad to finally snap us to our senses. For a while, anyway.
You are wrong.
Often times people are still very functional and dangerous even after being shot.
The problem with guys like you and Granite is... you are ignorant. You don't know much about these subjects. Coming from a family with police officers I have a much better grasp on these issues than you.
Is that what you are upset about? The extra shots?
You're not the only one who here who knows cops.
Tension runs high when you feel that lethal force is necessary.
Plus... it's always best to reload when your weapon is empty. You don't know who might come running around the corner at you next. After all... it is Chicago, a filthy city run by liberals.
That's true... but apparently you are not one of them.
Sure I do. And your coming from a family with some cops in it may inform your own personal stake in the discussion but doesn't give you any authority on the issue--no more than my coming from a military family gives me foreign policy expertise.
If shooting a teenager sixteen times in the back is acceptable, then literally anything goes and all bets are off. We crossed the line a long time ago. Some folks don't seem to care. I'm not one of them.
What's more, if the facts surrounding the case made this shooting justified, the CPD wouldn't have lied about the circumstances or suppressed the footage. Let's not forget they lied through their teeth and tried to prevent the video from seeing the light of day. The excuse that they were trying to prevent civil unrest holds zero water: If the shooting was a clear-cut case of self-defense they'd want the video out immediately. They lied, and McDonald was murdered.
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shagster01
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The kid should not be running around with a knife. I won't lead to anything good and he is certainly not free of guilt.
But anyone who watched that video can see that that guy was not an immediate threat to their lives. He was not appoaching them. I was around a guy with a knive like that one time too, and though I was on high alert until the cops came arrested him (without lethal force) at no time did I feel the need to shoot the guy.
What I hate most about this, though, is that everyone feels the need to take sides in these situations. Both the kid and the cop were in the wrong. Why is it so hard to say two people can BOTH be wrong? It's not an either/or here. The kid was stupid, and so was the cop. End of story.
But anyone who watched that video can see that that guy was not an immediate threat to their lives. He was not appoaching them. I was around a guy with a knive like that one time too, and though I was on high alert until the cops came arrested him (without lethal force) at no time did I feel the need to shoot the guy.
What I hate most about this, though, is that everyone feels the need to take sides in these situations. Both the kid and the cop were in the wrong. Why is it so hard to say two people can BOTH be wrong? It's not an either/or here. The kid was stupid, and so was the cop. End of story.
Well that's not the end of the story, because someone died. "Oh well, nothing to see here" doesn't cut it. The burden is certainly not equal here: The onus is on the cop to act in a manner that suits his profession, unless of course we're at the point where we assume summary execution is just part of their job. Last I checked we didn't take any oath to serve or protect them. They're supposed to be out there working for and serving us. Or have we given up that illusion too? Maybe we should and just call it a day.
glorydaz
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Yep, and sad to say we don't get to choose our own consequences for our bad behavior. It's a risk many seem willing to take, however.
glorydaz
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There's almost always enough guilt to go around. I don't know why it's so hard for people to see that. :think:
shagster01
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I'm certainly not saying, "Oh well, nothing to see here." I'm saying, "look, when you act stupid, stupid things happen." A stupid person is dead and another stupid person is in jail. Let that be a lesson.
The kid did not deserve to be shot dead. But he could have greatly reduced the chances of that happening by not being a criminal or at least dropping the knife. He isn't void of fault here. There were two wrong parties involved.
How many shots would have been acceptable to you?
The lesson seems to be any perceived "threat" or "crime" will get you killed. I don't consider that an acceptable state of affairs. To a significant degree, these outrages keep happening because we allow them to happen, blow on our fingernails, and come back with the same flippancy you're showing here.
Yep, it's a lesson, all right.
Once again you are wrong.
While coming from a military family might not give adequate insight into foreign policy it most certainly could give insight into battlefield tactics (which is essentially what we are talking about here).
This mindset explains the problem perfectly.
glorydaz
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I think the cops are usually trained to empty their guns, aren't they? And those training videos make it very clear how quickly a guy with a knife can cover that ground. I figure the cop's adrenaline was at it's highest level, and he pulled the trigger over and over because of his training or because he panicked...had probably never even had to fire his gun under duress before. It would be interesting to know that. It wasn't like he was alone in a dark alley thinking he could get away with something.