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That was for me, along with the negrep he just left saying "racist idiotic crap."
Manc's normally polite and courteous but he's on a rampage all over TOL today.
What I did say is that the cases like this are far more remote than those of Officers being hurt or killed in the line of duty.
It is difficult to make that claim, since there are no comprehensive statistics collected on those killed by police. No-one knows how many are killed nor how many were killed unnecessarily.
Since the number of people killed by your police is in the many hundreds per year and most are rubber stamped as reasonable, it wouldn't surprise me if murders carried out by police exceeded in number those police who are murdered. There is simply no way to know.
Police shootings are not routinely investigated by independent people, and there are no figures for all police shootings anyway - most authorities fail to collect the data.
And it is not always police shooting criminals, unless the act of shooting counts as arrest, trial, conviction and execution.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Every effort ought to be made to arrest rather that shoot first. That may be the case, but I have yet to see the evidence in a transparent way.
Is there a better way to arrest/subdue a person resisting?
Are there less lethal techniques when a suspect refuses to cooperate?
Also would like to know the background on Kelly Thomas as to why he was homeless and considered mentally unfit.
It seems that there would be agency records of Kelly Thomas whether or not he was institutionalized, had an arrest record and what if any reason his parents could provide as to how Thomas became a transient.
The case of Thomas Kelly was really a black eye on law enforcement as well as a clear cut case of murder. It was an absolute miscarriage of justice that the officers as well as their supervisors were not held to any form of accountability. With that said, you cannot impugn all police officers with the actions of these three men. One only has to look at the statistics for assault/with injury and murders of police officers every year to understand the violent job they have dealing with the scum of the earth, & how the lines may blur for some officers when dealing with it. The average yearly assault(with injury) for U.S. police officers is 15,404 and the average number of officers killed every year is 149, this average was taken over the past ten years.
The cops fear for their lives as well but, I don't hear you crying for them...or their families when one is murdered, the fact is there are far more good officers than bad and it is easy for an ideologue like Mark to cherry pick data to attempt to paint his broadbrush picture of widespread abuse which is just not the case.
How is a Helpless Homeless man a "Thug"; Christian?
You have no Honor....
The number of officers killed and assaulted has gone down by almost half over the last 30 years, yet the number of people assaulted and killed by police has _increased_ and the police forces are getting supplied with more and more military gear. How do you explain that?
Tinark said:and was essentially a transient by choice.
It was a pivot to the race card.
The case is 3 years old which suggest why it isn't getting the media coverage.
From the OP said:And I don't care if any of you think this is "Old News", when a Man is Killed you Show his Face and Name Him!
We would expect roofers to wear hardhats, tie ladders down and take similar precautions.
Its fair to expect the police to be cautious round potentially dangerous suspects.
Mancy said:Its fair to expect the police to be cautious
My turn to ask a question Mark:
Why are you liberals allowing these mentally ill people to aimlessly wander the streets posing a threat to people? Is that your definition of compassion?
Mark: With your out and out HATRED of law enforcement, I'm afraid that you'll forget to take your meds and leave the safety of your mom's basement and wander out into the real world and decide to take your hostilities out one or more police officers.
I have to warn you Mark:
You won't win.
You are Lost.
A Cop Killed My Cousin, she was his Wife; that Man has transferred to another state Since, and has yet to see Justice.
He will, soon.
So, Yes; I do take this Issue Personally.