ARCHIVE: Will You Be Celebrating Christmas?

ARCHIVE: Will You Be Celebrating Christmas?

  • Yes

    Votes: 87 81.3%
  • No

    Votes: 20 18.7%

  • Total voters
    107

novice

Who is the stooge now?
Originally posted by Hilston

No, celebrating religious holidays is worse then abortion because it is a direct affront to God by disrespecting and dishonoring the special role He has prescribed for the Body of Christ. Christ died to secure specific and wonderful unique blessings for the Body of Christ, and those who disrespect those blessings and submit to the angelic realm are openly denying Christ as their Head.

To murder an innocent child is evil and sinful. To do so is a sin against that child, the child's parents, society, etc. But be water baptized is a sin against God Himself and dividing against the Body of Christ. So is celebrating Christmas.
Earlier in this thread you said that celebrating Christmas was wrong but that it wasn't necessarily that bad UNLESS you didn't feel any guilt about celebrating it. How can something that is "more wrong" depending on your individual feelings of guilt be worse than murdering a innocent child which is wrong no matter how guilty you feel?

This whole assertion of yours Jim is just plain crazy! :kookoo:
 

Granite

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Baptism and Christmas...then the murder of children.

Well, nice to see where Jim's priorities are, anyway.:rolleyes:
 

novice

Who is the stooge now?
Originally posted by granite1010

Baptism and Christmas...then the murder of children.

Well, nice to see where Jim's priorities are, anyway.:rolleyes:
granite you were right, I shouldn't have put Jim in the same category of poster as you.

There is now a "lower" level. :(
 

Hilston

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Originally posted by novice
Earlier in this thread you said that celebrating Christmas was wrong but that it wasn't necessarily that bad UNLESS you didn't feel any guilt about celebrating it.
That's false. Your memory is failing you.

Originally posted by novice
How can something that is "more wrong" depending on your individual feelings of guilt be worse than murdering a innocent child which is wrong no matter how guilty you feel?
Is this how you make an argument? Make statements that misrepresent your opponent and demonize those statements?

Originally posted by novice
This whole assertion of yours Jim is just plain crazy! :kookoo:
It would be an assertion if I hadn't made the biblical case for the claim several times over. If you want to take on those arguments and refute them with biblical counterarguments, I would be happy to consider them. For every post you make that is merely bald assertion, I and my friends become even more convinced that you have no argument, that you're simply denying the scriptures that indict you and that you'd rather nullify the Word of God by your anti-biblical traditions.
 
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Hilston

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Granite1010, it seems you're "damned with faint praise" everywhere you go. :D You're a "damnation" magnet.
 

JoyfulRook

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Originally posted by Hilston

No, celebrating religious holidays is worse then abortion because it is a direct affront to God by disrespecting and dishonoring the special role He has prescribed for the Body of Christ. Christ died to secure specific and wonderful unique blessings for the Body of Christ, and those who disrespect those blessings and submit to the angelic realm are openly denying Christ as their Head.

To murder an innocent child is evil and sinful. To do so is a sin against that child, the child's parents, society, etc. But be water baptized is a sin against God Himself and dividing against the Body of Christ. So is celebrating Christmas.
Isn't Abortion a sin against God? God loves and cares for that little baby; that baby is His child. Isn't brutally murdering the most defensless of all humans, a sin against God. Is that not spitting in God's face and marring his creation? Is that not disrespecting God's wonderful and unique blessings: openly denying God?

Your position that Celebrating Christ's birth on Dec. 25th is worse than burning, dismembering, etc. of a young baby sucking his thumb in his mother's womb, is a disgrace to Christians, a detremental stumbling block for believers, and a vile and disgusting thought that only a withered and backslidden consciousness could begin to put their faith in. :vomit: Your Ideology is sickening.
 

novice

Who is the stooge now?
Originally posted by Dread Helm

Isn't Abortion a sin against God? God loves and cares for that little baby; that baby is His child. Isn't brutally murdering the most defensless of all humans, a sin against God. Is that not spitting in God's face and marring his creation? Is that not disrespecting God's wonderful and unique blessings: openly denying God?

Your position that Celebrating Christ's birth on Dec. 25th is worse than burning, dismembering, etc. of a young baby sucking his thumb in his mother's womb, is a disgrace to Christians, a detremental stumbling block for believers, and a vile and disgusting thought that only a withered and backslidden consciousness could begin to put their faith in. :vomit: Your Ideology is sickening.
Nice! :up:
 

Hilston

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Originally posted by Dread Helm

Isn't Abortion a sin against God? God loves and cares for that little baby; that baby is His child. Isn't brutally murdering the most defensless of all humans, a sin against God. Is that not spitting in God's face and marring his creation? Is that not disrespecting God's wonderful and unique blessings: openly denying God?
It's not as direct an affront to God as open denial of His Son by sinning against the very things His Son died to secure for the Body of Christ.

What is a worse sin in God's eyes? Breaking the Sabbath or abortion? Why won't anyone answer this question?

Notice that none of you bring any scripture to bear on this matter. You're all acting like a bunch of liberals, acting on emotion, reaching for shock value, irrationally judging things on your own autonomous presumptions. I've given sufficient scripture to prove my point. Where are the "truthsmackers"?

Originally posted by Dread Helm
Your position that Celebrating Christ's birth on Dec. 25th is worse than burning, dismembering, etc. of a young baby sucking his thumb in his mother's womb, ...
You sound like a liberal. Appeal to the emotions. Forget what the Bible teaches. Forget what Christ has done and what He died to ensure. Forget using your brain; just operate on emotion.

Originally posted by Dread Helm
... is a disgrace to Christians, a detremental stumbling block for believers, ...
Prove it. Don't just assert. How many protests do you think the apostles attended? Was Paul ever arrested for blocking the entrance to a Roman auditorium protesting the torture and murder of Christians?

Originally posted by Dread Helm
... and a vile and disgusting thought that only a withered and backslidden consciousness could begin to put their faith in. :vomit: Your Ideology is sickening.
Sorry DH. Mine ideology is biblical. You're operating on emotion. You're being irrational. I challenge you and all your cronies to prove otherwise. Read the last 22 pages of asinine, illogical, unbiblical, incoherent and impotent attempts to refute my position. It's insane that these people still have the temerity to continue their groundless assertions despite their failed attempts to defeat it.
 

Hilston

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Novice,

Have you repented of violating your interpretation of these verses yet?

Ro 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

1Co 8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.


If not, why not?
 

JoyfulRook

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Originally posted by Hilston

It's not as direct an affront to God as open denial of His Son by sinning against the very things His Son died to secure for the Body of Christ.
Did not his son die to save each and every one of his children? He died for that little baby so that when he got older he could be saved and live with God forever in heaven. Abortion IS an affront to God much more than setting aside an extra-special day for the celebration of Christ's birth. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Hilston
What is a worse sin in God's eyes? Breaking the Sabbath or abortion? Why won't anyone answer this question?
I will. An abortion is a worse sin. Breaking the Sabbath was for Israel under their dispensation. I believe you are a Acts Dispensationalist right?

Originally posted by Hilston
Where are the "truthsmackers"?
They are "smacking" you in the face. :doh:

Originally posted by Hilston
You sound like a liberal. Appeal to the emotions. Forget what the Bible teaches. Forget what Christ has done and what He died to ensure. Forget using your brain; just operate on emotion.
Emotion is a very important thing that God has given us. Don't discard emotion carelessly. It is only scoffed at by those who have lost all sensitivity. Use logic and emotion together. I am doing so.

Originally posted by Hilston
Sorry DH. My ideology is biblical. You're operating on emotion. You're being irrational. I challenge you and all your cronies to prove otherwise. It's insane that these people still have the temerity to continue their groundless assertions despite their failed attempts to defeat it.
No you are the one who is being irrational. You have been ripping scripture out of context and dispensation since Page 1. It's surprising to me that people still have the will to continue to debate a circular-reasoning lunatic like you. :kookoo: When you begin to cede your arguments that have been literally torn out of context, then I will continue this discussion. Until then, I reccomend that you pray and ask the Lord to give you wisdom.
 

novice

Who is the stooge now?
Originally posted by Hilston

Novice,

Have you repented of violating your interpretation of these verses yet?

Ro 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

1Co 8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.


If not, why not?
First of all I disagree that Romans 14 is directed towards weaker members of the Body of Christ. As a Act's 9er I would think you would agree, but that is another topic.

Setting that aside it wouldn't matter anyway because it is you who is causing folks to stumble! It is you who is attempting to fool folks and put them back into the bondage of the law by making them think that Christmas is unlawful!

I agree with what has been stated on this thread 20 times, it's one thing to decide not to celebrate Christmas but telling people that it's sinful or worse than abortion is just plain wacky!

Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. - Galatians 5:1
 

Hilston

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Originally posted by Dread Helm
Did not his son die to save each and every one of his children?
Yes, but not everyone on the planet is his child.

Originally posted by Dread Helm
He died for that little baby so that when he got older he could be saved and live with God forever in heaven.
Not all babies, DH. Only the elect babies.

Originally posted by Dread Helm
... Abortion IS an affront to God much more than setting aside an extra-special day for the celebration of Christ's birth. :rolleyes:
Prove it. Don't just assert.

Originally posted by Dread Helm
An abortion is a worse sin. Breaking the Sabbath was for Israel under their dispensation. I believe you are a Acts Dispensationalist right?
You refuse to follow the logic, don't you? Dispensational sins are far worse. That's what scripture says. Your emotion-governed sentiments are unbiblical, DH. Face it. You don't have a leg to stand on.

Originally posted by Dread Helm
They are "smacking" you in the face. :doh:
With what? Clear exegesis of scripture? No. Sound reasoning? No. Emotion-driven unbiblical tripe? Yes.

Originally posted by Dread Helm
No you are the one who is being irrational.
Prove it, DH. Don't just assert.

Originally posted by Dread Helm
You have been ripping scripture out of context and dispensation since Page 1.
Prove it, DH. Don't assert. You and I could stand here and lob accusations back and forth all day and not get anywhere. At least do your readers the courtesy of proving your claims.

Originally posted by Dread Helm
It's surprising to me that people still have the will to continue to debate a circular-reasoning lunatic like you. :kookoo:
Good grief, man. You must be desperate. Any other unsupported charges you want to accuse of me? Maybe I also drink the blood of the babies born on Christmas?

Originally posted by Dread Helm
When you begin to cede your arguments that have been literally torn out of context, then I will continue this discussion. Until then, I reccomend that you pray and ask the Lord to give you wisdom.
Thanks for your help, DH. :kookoo:
 

Christine

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Originally posted by Lucky

His arguments have been refuted so many times, what else is there to do but watch as he makes a fool of himself?

An attitude like this makes me wonder if you have ever even considered what he's saying, Justin. Paul's Gospel goes against much of so-called Christendom, and no-doubt much of what you've been taught, but that's no reason to dismiss it lightly. Can you refute what me and/or Mr. Hilston have said, Justin?
 

Hilston

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Originally posted by novice
First of all I disagree that Romans 14 is directed towards weaker members of the Body of Christ.
To whom is it directed? What is Ro 14 talking about?

Originally posted by novice
Setting that aside it wouldn't matter anyway because it is you who is causing folks to stumble! It is you who is attempting to fool folks and put them back into the bondage of the law by making them think that Christmas is unlawful!
Eating food sacrificed to idols was unlawful for saved Jews, novice. If ChristMass is unlawful for me, shouldn't you, based on your interpretation of 1Co 8, stop throwing it in my face?

Originally posted by novice
Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. - Galatians 5:1
Was Paul trying to entangle Peter with a yoke of bondage by telling him to stop observing Jewish food laws? Please answer this question, novice.
 

novice

Who is the stooge now?
Originally posted by Christine

An attitude like this makes me wonder if you have ever even considered what he's saying, Justin. Paul's Gospel goes against much of so-called Christendom, and no-doubt much of what you've been taught, but that's no reason to dismiss it lightly. Can you refute what me and/or Mr. Hilston have said, Justin?
Christine, it has never been demonstrated that celebrating holidays is sinful!

So what is there to refute? Just because Jim is stretching bible verses beyond all reason doesn't mean the rest of us are going to throw our brains out the window. So when someone like Nineveh way back on page #2 of this thread states:
Originally posted by Nineveh

Christine,
I don't see non/celebration today as a "requirment". I am not mandated to observe (or not) special days, but Paul says, "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. " :)

I'm curious, I read over the list of prohibited days and didn't see birthdays listed. Do you celebrate birthdays and anniversaries?
That pretty much sums up the entire argument!

The apostle Paul warned you of folks like Hilston when he stated
Colossians 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
Yet that is the very thing Jim is doing!

He is judging that the way others celebrate a certain day is wrong!

But then there is the real kicker, Jim thinks that celebrating Christmas is worse than murdering innocent babies.

Do you agree with that Christine? Do you agree with Jim that it is more wicked to sit around with your family on December 25th open up some gifts and eat some food then it is to burn a baby in the womb and the cuts its arms and legs off to remove it so you can dump it in a bucket in the closet?

Do you agree with that?
 

Hilston

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Originally posted by novice

Christine, it has never been demonstrated that celebrating holidays is sinful!
Shall I start pasting?

Originally posted by novice
So what is there to refute? Just because Jim is stretching bible verses beyond all reason doesn't mean the rest of us are going to throw our brains out the window.
You've already done that by refusing to consider the biblical arguments against you.

Originally posted by novice
So when someone like Nineveh way back on page #2 of this thread states: That pretty much sums up the entire argument!

I don't see non/celebration today as a "requirment". I am not mandated to observe (or not) special days, but Paul says, "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
See what I mean? That argument has been refuted several times over, and no one has been able to counter the refutation.

And since this "sums up the entire argument" for you, you obviously believe Romans 14 applies to this situation. So, you should obey your own interpretation and not celebrate Christmas for those who are offended or stumble because of it.

Ro 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

You're a hypocrite, novice.

Originally posted by novice
The apostle Paul warned you of folks like Hilston when he stated Colossians 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, Yet that is the very thing Jim is doing!
Once again, you demonstrate how egregiously inept you are by uncritically dismissing the exegesis provided that shows you what judging in this verse refers to.

Originally posted by novice
He is judging that the way others celebrate a certain day is wrong!
So did Paul novice. Paul publicly rebuked Peter for celebrating religious ceremonies, just as you are being rebuked here. If you think there's a difference, please prove it.
 

Granite

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Originally posted by Hilston

Granite1010, it seems you're "damned with faint praise" everywhere you go. :D You're a "damnation" magnet.

I can live with that!

When Christians of all people cannot agree on whether or not to celebrate Christmas, you have officially entered the land of Oz.
 

Clete

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I have not been keeping up with this thread so I hope this won't be rehashing covered territory but I can't help but to throw in my two cents...

It seems to me that the Bible, and Paul in particular, pretty clearly teaches that if Jim believes it to be wrong to celebrate religious holidays then for him to do so would be sinful and for anyone to attempt to convince him to violate his conscience in this matter would become a stumbling block to him. It seems equally clear that if any believer celebrates Christmas, or indulges in any religious ritual, ceremony, holiday, etc. in order to gain something from God, then Christ will profit them nothing. They have placed themselves again under the yoke of bondage.
The Biblical principle, as I understand it, is communicated in Paul's statement, "circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing". If you want to observe the Christmas holiday fine, if you don't, that's fine too as long as you aren't on either side of the issue in order to gain points with God (i.e. to be more righteous).
To me, it seems really similar to the practice that some Christian women have of wearing their hair up in a bun. If you want to wear your hair up, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. If you think it to be more modest or it, in your mind, honors God in some way, terrific! Put your hair up and leave it up, by all means! But if you think that wearing your hair in a bun gets you anywhere with God, let me know and I'll introduce you to Jesus and He'll set you free from such wastes of time and energy.

Resting in Him,
Clete
 
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