Dozer's Fixation on Rape!

[chrysostom]

you know anna - knight allows you, Granite (when he manages to control himself), heck even artie and zoo to post here - all you want

instead of whining about others, why don't you guys step up to the plate and start a thread of your own that has some actual substance to it and isn't just whining?

so who is next?

 

[Tambora]

actually, we're in a discussion about taking responsibility for the consequences of your actions

I am talking about rape.
I don't change the goalposts like you do.

you appear to be unwilling to consider that women bear any responsibility for the consequences of their actions,

I am absolutely 100% unwilling to consider that a victim of rape bears any responsibility for rape.

 

[glorydaz]

This whole deal reminds me of the studies I have done on the book of Job.
They dug their heels into Job trying to convince him that he must have been to blame for the bad things that happened to him.

That's because they couldn't understand why Job was suffering if he had done nothing wrong.....because, often times, people suffer when the do something wrong. In Job's case, God allowed him to suffer, even though he had done nothing wrong, to prove to satan that Job was faithful in spite of every adversity that came upon him.

The difference....Job actually was an innocent victim. Not all victims can say the same thing. Many have done things that bring on the suffering that comes upon them. I loved your studies on the book of Job, btw, and we can see here how that book allows us to see both sides of an issue like this.

 

[glorydaz]

my son was mugged and his smart phone stolen

he was close to tears in the police station

i was consoling when he needed me to be consoling - he knew he had been careless and was beating himself up

afterwards, when he had calmed down and we were home, we had a discussion about how to avoid being a victim again

I won't go into details, but my youngest daughter did some things for which she was more than justified in "beating herself up". She knew she was wrong...as soon as she sobered up. She didn't know exactly how wrong until she insisted on watched the tape the cops had made. She couldn't even finish watching it and was totally humbled by it. That was many years ago, but I still remember how I didn't even have to say "I told you".

A person's own conscience is often a better judge than all the onlookers in the world. When someone offered their condolences to my daughter, she was quick to say she deserved everything she got. Believe me, she paid a price for quite some time....never once did she claim she was a victim.

 

[genuineoriginal]

I am talking about rape.
I don't change the goalposts like you do.

There is no way to avoid changing the goalposts when you talk about rape these days.

I am absolutely 100% unwilling to consider that a victim of rape bears any responsibility for rape.

There are men in prison for rape for having what they thought was consensual sex with a female that initiated the sexual encounter.
So, is the victim the man that is in prison for what he thought was consensual sex, or the female that initiated the sexual encounter?

 

[Tambora]

I was raped.

It's a crime I am very passionate about.

And don't even think about asking me what I was wearing.
What I was wearing is irrelevant.

Sure, I survived.
It's just one more filthy memory I have to live with.

So watching some retard go on and on about the blame of the woman being raped is absolutely atrocious to me.

 

[patrick jane]

I've never really been the victim of anything

 

[genuineoriginal]

And don't even think about asking me what I was wearing.
What I was wearing is irrelevant.

Why do you think what you were wearing is irrelevant?

 

[Rusha]

I was raped.

It's a crime I am very passionate about.

And don't even think about asking me what I was wearing.
What I was wearing is irrelevant.

Sure, I survived.
It's just one more filthy memory I have to live with.

So watching some retard go on and on about the blame of the woman being raped is absolutely atrocious to me.

I am so sorry you went through that Tambora.

 

[Tambora]

Why do you think what you were wearing is irrelevant?

Tell me what I could wear that would not make it my fault.

 

[Tambora]

I am so sorry you went through that Tambora.

Almost hate to even mention it.
The inquisition has begun.

I can see why most rapes are not even reported, because of the stigma retards try to place on the victim.

 

[Quetzal]

Why do you think what you were wearing is irrelevant?

Rape occurs in societies where women are dressed conservatively. What now?

 

[glorydaz]

Rape occurs in societies where women are dressed conservatively. What now?

When the pendulum swings one way, it then swings the other. It's when it settles in the middle that the full truth can be seen.


Most rapes are committed on victims that have done nothing wrong....what they are wearing has nothing to do with it. Most rape victims have no reason to feel any guilt whatsoever. Many rape victims are children, in fact.

All rapists are evil people.

Some women, though, understand only too well that had they not been where they were, doing what they were, and even wearing what they were, they would not have been raped. Why is it these women can see their fault, but so many looking on can't?

 

[Rusha]

Almost hate to even mention it.
The inquisition has begun.

I can see why most rapes are not even reported, because of the stigma retards try to place on the victim.

I said that myself as well. Sadly enough, when not reported, the rapist is able to pursue his favorite past time.

 

[Quetzal]

Some women, though, understand only too well that had they not been where they were, doing what they were, and even wearing what they were, they would not have been raped.

That may or may not be true. You cannot prove it either way. The best you can do is theorize.

 

[Rusha]

Rape occurs in societies where women are dressed conservatively. What now?

Rape occurs for one reason and one reason only: rapists are evil.

 

[Quetzal]

Rape occurs for one reason and one reason only: rapists are evil.

Correct, and that should be the end of the conversation.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Rape occurs in societies where women are dressed conservatively. What now?

Rape occurs in all societies.
So, what is your point?

 

[Quetzal]

Rape occurs in all societies.
So, what is your point?

That the fault of a criminal act falls on, surprise, the criminal. And that should be the end of it.

 

[Tambora]

Rape occurs for one reason and one reason only: rapists are evil.

BINGO!
They are going to rape women no matter what they are wearing, and no matter what they are doing.