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...though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. (Hebrews 5:8 NKJV)
We are no different, we do not become mature by fiat, it takes time and trials.
You're confusing "functional/dynamic" equivalence with "formal" equivalence. They are both literal but not both the same.
Close, it is actually;
ho gennaō ek ho sarx eimi sarx kai ho gennaō ek ho pneuma eimi pneuma
But is still conveys what the English shows in the NIV. You can read the MOUNCE translation, which is a Reverse Greek Interlinear if you want the Greek side-by-side.
It's the small differences that make the meaning clear.
Not begotten = not conceived.
Jesus never said to be re-conceived, which is why He said to Nicodemus what He did.
We are born again in our spirit when we realize and accept the gospel/good news of Jesus Christ.
Not sure what you mean by fiat, but I agree that those who the Lord loves He disciplines. We are NOT duplicate Jesus', we become joint heirs WITH Jesus as the first born. Rom 8:29 (NIV)
Let's back up a verse.
Jesus answered, "Most assuredly I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
(John 3:5 NKJV)
(John 3:5 NKJV)
Jesus did not say born again in our spirit, he said born again in pneuma meaning our Father's Spirit.
I realize people have various interpretations of what it means to be born of the Spirit but Jesus defined what he meant by being born of the Spirit.
The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit. (John 3:8 NKJV)
Jesus gave an example by appearing in a locked room and then disappearing from that room.
Jesus was not pneuma until he was resurrected from death.
The on-line Merriam-Webster defines fiat as: "a command or act of will that creates something without or as if without further effort"
We know from scripture that it is through pressure that we enter the kingdom of God. An example is what Paul said, "We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God." (Acts 14:22 NKJV)
This means we do not enter God's family without effort on our part.
Jesus said, "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it." (Luke 16:16 NKJV)
Pressing means force.
It takes effort and force on our part to enter God's kingdom. There is no easy or instantaneous salvation.
We are not Jesus' twin since we each have a human father. We are Jesus' brothers and sisters just as your quote of Paul says.
Beloved, now we are children of God and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. (1 John 3:2 NKJV)
To be like Jesus requires an incorruptible body and immortality, which is our destiny but we do not yet possess.
When John wrote this he had not yet become pneuma, he was still flesh. He did not have an incorruptible body and he was not immortal.
So far Jesus is the only human to become immortal. And he did it with effort on his part.
Right, Jesus said "born again" in v3 and then qualified it in v5. He basically was telling Nicodemus that He was not speaking about a physical rebirth, but a spiritual one. His answer in v5 shows one has to not only be born of the flesh, which is conveyed by water as in a women's water breaking, and the Spirit. The context remains in v3.
Jesus was dealing with a teacher of Israel as v10 indicates, and was speaking in a way that a teacher of Israel should understand, but because the Pharisees have their own verbal laws, and Nicodemus was thinking in that vane and not in a spiritual vane.
I'm not sure what you are trying to convey by your last sentence here?
Well I could have done that, I was hoping you would show us how you connoted this word?
I'm not sure why you use the term 'pressure' to convey tribulations, but yes in that day the disciples had a lot of tribulations. Not so much anymore IMO and NOT a prerequisite.
I prefer MOUNCE in this verse, as the Greek conveys several connotations, one being "to press earnestly forward".
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+16:16&version=MOUNCE
Salvation is instant, but it does involve effort. Our free will is just part of that effort. Going against peer pressure was one as well in those days and probably just as applicable today.
That was what I was saying.
1 John 3:2 is dealing with the second coming of Jesus, as it was written AFTER Jesus died and returned to the father.
Nobody will have an incorruptible body until Jesus returns. All believer's bodies remain in the grave until then.
1 Cor 15:35-58 (NIV)
The word hydor (water) is used 79 times in the KJV, but not once with regard to amniotic fluid.
What verse is it in Mounce that defines water as amniotic fluid?
Ok, let's simplify.
Jesus said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3 NKJV)
Why did Jesus say a person must to be born again in order to see the kingdom of God? Is it because both our Father and Jesus are invisible?
Have you been born again? Have you seen the Father?
Was Paul born again before he died?