Has the Church Replaced Israel ?

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beloved57 said:
I'm going to clarify something. National ethnic Israel was God's people while under the old covenant and it was by national covenant. However within that national covenant Israel was remnant Israel the spiritual body of Christ, God's people He foreknew. That Israel will be conformed to the image of Christ. Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren

So yes in a real sense national ethnic Israel was God's people for a time by national covenant!
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So you get it half right. Good job!

Rom 11:11-12 KJV I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. (12) Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
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THEY and THEIR is Israel... HOW MUCH MORE THEIR FULLNESS??!!!

THEY, national ethic Israel, will be restored. And unbelieving Israel will be cast out.

Rom 11:15 KJV For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
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The RECEIVING OF THEM!!!! (in the FUTURE).... LIFE FROM THE DEAD!!!!

Rom 11:25-28 KJV For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: (27) For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. (28) As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
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UNTIL the fullness of the gentiles be come in!!!! Their blindness is TEMPORARY!!!

THEY, national ethic Israel, have MANY promises that are YET to be fulfilled... but they will be, because God is not a liar.
 
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So you get it half right. Good job!



THEY and THEIR is Israel... HOW MUCH MORE THEIR FULLNESS??!!!

THEY, national ethic Israel, will be restored. And unbelieving Israel will be cast out.


The RECEIVING OF THEM!!!! (in the FUTURE).... LIFE FROM THE DEAD!!!!


UNTIL the fullness of the gentiles be come in!!!! Their blindness is TEMPORARY!!!

THEY, national ethic Israel, have MANY promises that are YET to be fulfilled... but they will be, because God is not a liar.
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When He came for His put away wife...she killed Him Her husband thus death did do them part...what He had joined in holy matrimony they had separated...

She is now free to marry another...ALL prior marriage contracts abolished...which were the LIVING ORACLES He presented to her at Sinai...she had said “I DO” but did not...

The Husband was resurrected however and seeks again for another Bride...faithful and obedient to the SAME Husband Who presented His Living Oracles at Sinai...and remains His marriage proposal STILL...

You/yours would have Him married to TWO brides...dividing His kingdom...
 
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Rom 11:11-12 KJV I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. (12) Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
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This is speaking of a reversal, now that national ethnic Israel has failed and been cast off it does not mean all ethnic Jews are cast off , many are yet to receive mercy individually and be grafted back in via the gentile ministry. This was foretold Isa 61:6

But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves

Just like Gentiles were grafted in individually now will jews be grafted in individually.
 
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beloved57 said:
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This is speaking of a reversal, now that national ethnic Israel has failed and been cast off it does not mean all ethnic Jews are cast off , many are yet to receive mercy individually and be grafted back in via the gentile ministry. This was foretold Isa 61:6

But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves
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This is yet future when Israel will properly execute their role as "the Priests of the Lord" and as "the Ministers of our God" under the new covenant.

beloved57 said:
Just like Gentiles were grafted in individually now will jews be grafted in individually.
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In the body of Christ there is no "grafting".

The body of Christ is made up of NEW creatures .... into the ONE NEW MAN, distinct from Israel and their prophetic program.
 
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In the body of Christ there is no "grafting".
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Thats a false statement were is that found. The Body of Christ is the Good Olive Tree. Thats plainly indicated in Rom 11

The body of Christ is made up of NEW creature
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That goes for any saved individual, out of the ot and nt

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into the ONE NEW MAN, distinct from Israel and their prophetic program.
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The New Man Eph 2:15 is merely now gentiles also make up the Body of Christ[Spiritual Israel] whereas in the OT it was mostly ethnic jews that made up the Spiritual Israel


This is yet future when Israel will properly execute their role as "the Priests of the Lord" and as "the Ministers of our God" under the new covenant.
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Fulfilled in Christ and His Church !
 
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beloved57 said:
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Thats a false statement were is that found. The Body of Christ is the Good Olive Tree. Thats plainly indicated in Rom 11



That goes for any saved individual, out of the ot and nt

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The New Man Eph 2:15 is merely now gentiles also make up the Body of Christ[Spiritual Israel] whereas in the OT it was mostly ethnic jews that made up the Spiritual Israel




Fulfilled in Christ and His Church !
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Absolutely Brother !
 
beloved57

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That is more made-up nonsense.
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Oh no it's not. The Gentiles were grafted into it.

Rom 11:17

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

So who was the Gentile believers grafted into? It's the body of Christ. See Eph 2!
 
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beloved57 said:
Oh no it's not. The Gentiles were grafted into it.

Rom 11:17

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

So who was the Gentile believers grafted into? It's the body of Christ. See Eph 2!
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The whole point of Romans 9-11 is that Israel has not been abandoned but only temporarily set aside. It is NOT about the body of Christ.

But I certainly don't expect someone like you to understand that.
 
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That's NOT what is says. You always "reinterpret" the PLAIN meaning of scripture to try to FORCE you story upon the text.
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The individual is grafted in by God given faith


Rom 11:20;23


20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

You don't seem to understand what you believe in. You basically following traditions of men.
 
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The whole point of Romans 9-11 is that Israel has not been abandoned but only temporarily set aside. It is NOT about the body of Christ.

But I certainly don't expect someone like you to understand that.
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Lol you evaded the post points. Who were the Gentiles grafted into?
 
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beloved57 said:
The individual is grafted in by God given faith

Rom 11:20;23

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

You don't seem to understand what you believe in. You basically following traditions of men.
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Nobody gets "grafted" into the BODY OF CHRIST. You basically follow silly false doctrines.
 
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