It's not a fault to value money in a business (but obviously not at the cost of justice). The real issue is that lawyering shouldn't be a business. It wrecks justice.
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How about how to file a motion or how to know when you object to certain aspects of the prosecution? Does the layperson know how and when to do these things? :idea: Being a lawyer is a trained still just like a plumber or a carpenter.
Do you do your own electrical work or do you call in a professional? :think:
Why is any of that necessary?
If two or three witnesses (not necessarily eyewitnesses) are enough to establish a matter, as God says, and if the law is simple, then would not the best system have a judge, the witnesses, the accuser, and the accused only?
Lawyers are only needed when the law is complex and many volumes thick, as our current law is, which makes it difficult for the average person to know all the laws.
If the law is simple, then there is no need for lawyers, because everyone knows what the law says, or a the very least, is aware of all the laws.
An electrician or a plumber does and knows things that the average person does not know about. So, accordingly, if the law has many things that the average person does not know about, then sure, I would call a lawyer to deal with a court case.
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I'm pretty sure that in most jurisdictions the accused can refuse counsel.
Just like any skilled position. The more skilled the practitioner the more they charge...:think:
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Which leads to a conflict of interest.
The goal is justice. Bribery leads to injustice.
A plumber will change a faucet that isn't bad.
What can a plumber do that you can't do yourself?
Yes, they know the plumbing and electrical codes which are laws. When the Plumbing or electrical inspector cites a violation the code section they're citing is part of a law.
Fire Marshall's have badges and guns.
A building Inspector can evacuate and padlock your building.
That's why you hire a plumber or electrician who is licensed to practice plumbing or electricianing, so that you don't accidentally break the law.
Same with an accountant or a lawyer, they just specialized guys with licenses who do stuff for people. Make sure they're done right.
Good idea.
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That's like saying "The goal is plumbing. Bribery leads to bad plumbing"
How does that make sense?
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It's not bribery, it's a dynamic of a free market. The better someone is at their craft, the more in demand they are and the more they charge for their time. I am not sure why you referred to this as "bribery". :idunno:
Perhaps he's referring to criminal cases where OJ gets a dream team and a poor kid gets a PD fresh out law school who has four hours to spend on his case.
Cause that's a thing, the Innocence Project has found a lot of that.
Whereas a plumber has to make the pipes to code for poor and rich people alike.
Because knowing tactics should not be important in the pursuit of justice.
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"Skilled." :rotfl:
Such things should not matter in the pursuit of justice.
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skilled in how to manipulate the corrupt system in which they work
which makes them corrupt in turn (or attracts those who are already corrupt)
That's what happens when you treat justice like a business: People get into it for the cash.
Justice is one of the few necessary functions of government. The state should be in control, not the free market.
Why do liberals get these things so horribly mixed up all the time?
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because the system in which the israelites were enslaved by the egyptians was a corrupt system :duh: