Honest struggles on God’s omniscience.

[Clete]

God isn't omniscient? That's heretical

Biblical is what it is.

It's only heretical for those who worship Aristotle's god.

 

[Clete]

God’s word describes Him is all knowing.

No, you read that into whatever passages you're thinking of.

Biblically, God knows what He wants to know of that information that is knowable.

There is not one single syllable of the bible you can find that will contradict that statement. Any and every attempt you make will require you to read your doctrine into the text.

 

[Skywatch89]

No, you read that into whatever passages you're thinking of.

Biblically, God knows what He wants to know of that information that is knowable.

There is not one single syllable of the bible you can find that will contradict that statement. Any and every attempt you make will require you to read your doctrine into the text.

Ok. So instead of trying to reason cordially, by being patient and loving, and instead of trying to help me understand, and reason and persuade, we will automatically assume that I’m reading what I believe into whatever passages I’m thinking of, and claim that any and every attempt I make will require me to read my doctrine into the text. However, I fully believe God is omniscient.

Having said that, did it ever occur to you that I’m simply trying to understand, learn and see if there’s another view to reconcile God’s omniscience with man’s freedom of choice in a way that resolves some “tension” that people have? I guess not…

 

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Open theists do not believe in “partial omniscience.” We believe God knows everything that exists to be known. The dispute is whether future free choices already exist as settled facts before they are made.

(Revelation of John 9:20-21) [20] And the rest of the men who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and golden, and silver, and bronze, and stone, and wooden idols (which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk). [21] And they did not repent of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.


(Revelation of John 16:9-11) [9] And men were burned with great heat. And they blasphemed the name of God, He having authority over these plagues. And they did not repent in order to give Him glory. [10] And the fifth angel poured out his vial on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom became darkened. And they gnawed their tongues from the pain. [11] And they blasphemed the God of Heaven because of their pains and their sores. And they did not repent of their deeds.

Now where does that verse say God has exhaustive definite foreknowledge of every future free choice?

Jesus never said ,"I am G-d"

Psalm 147:5 Great is our Lord and mighty in power. His understanding is infinite.

you put a limit on his understanding to the past and only some of the present .

(Deuteronomy 18:22) When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not follow nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You shall not be afraid of him.

(Revelation of John 16:9-11) [9] And men were burned with great heat. And they blasphemed the name of God, He having authority over these plagues. And they did not repent in order to give Him glory. [10] And the fifth angel poured out his vial on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom became darkened. And they gnawed their tongues from the pain. [11] And they blasphemed the God of Heaven because of their pains and their sores. And they did not repent of their deeds.

Yes, God’s ways are higher than ours.

Higher, not lower.

Isaiah 55 is not a license to make God appear unjust

what is it with opentheist and G=d being unjust
foreknowledge is not the same as causing or approving it

(James 1:13) Let no one being tempted say, I am tempted from God. For God is not tempted by evils, and He tempts no one.

So if your theology makes God render men’s wickedness and damnation certain, then punish them for what they could never ultimately avoid, Isaiah 55 is not helping you.

who is preventing these people of repenting ?

(Revelation of John 9:20-21) [20] And the rest of the men who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and golden, and silver, and bronze, and stone, and wooden idols (which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk). [21] And they did not repent of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

The question is whether God can change His stated course of action in response to man.

the bible is about man changing ,you have it backwards

the bible is not about G-d changing

He already knows what people will do (or pray), and He incorporates those responses into how He interacts with us in time.

And Scripture repeatedly says He does.

God said He would destroy Nineveh. Nineveh repented, and God did not do what He said He would do.

God told Hezekiah, “You shall die, and not live.” Hezekiah prayed, and God added fifteen years.

God said He would destroy Israel and make a nation from Moses. Moses interceded, and God relented.

the bible is about man changing

did G-d know Nineveh would repent if Jonah preached , yes

foreknowledge
(Jonah 1:17) And the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. ...

Jeremiah 18 gives the principle: if God announces judgment and the nation repents, He will relent; if He announces blessing and the nation turns evil, He will relent of the good.

open theist have G-d needing to go to sodom to figure it out if the place was evil , so much for all knowing ,
G-d did want a conversation with Abraham to teach us and Abraham

(Genesis 18:21) I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which has come to Me. And if not, I will know

So quoting “God does not change” does not erase every passage where God relents, regrets, responds, tests, warns, and changes His stated course of action.

teaching moments

God does not change morally. But He does change how He deals with men when men change.

men have to change, not G-d

That is not a defect in God. That is the behavior of a righteous and relational God.

And even the GotQuestions quote quietly admits the point by adding “in the sense of realizing a mistake.”

Fine. God does not change His mind because He made a mistake. But open theists are not claiming He does.

We are saying God genuinely responds to repentance, rebellion, prayer, and intercession.

So the issue remains:

If it is heretical to believe God can change His mind, why does Scripture repeatedly say that He does?

And if your theology has to explain those passages away every time they appear, maybe the problem is not open theism.

Maybe the problem is the settled-view tradition you are trying to protect.

you have no change from God without change from man ,

so it can be said it is God's uses his foreknowledge for teaching interventions

and G-d's foreknowledge tells that they don't repent

(Revelation of John 16:9-11) [9] And men were burned with great heat. And they blasphemed the name of God, He having authority over these plagues. And they did not repent in order to give Him glory. [10] And the fifth angel poured out his vial on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom became darkened. And they gnawed their tongues from the pain. [11] And they blasphemed the God of Heaven because of their pains and their sores. And they did not repent of their deeds.