Honest struggles on God’s omniscience.

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Nick M said:
Saying you don't know why God brought the animals to Adam, when that is easily checked, comes across as being dishonest. I also realized you have no idea what the Bible says. That is just an observation, and common not knowing what the Bible says.
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way 2 go

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Clete said:
  1. Yesterday God infallibly believed T. [Supposition of infallible foreknowledge]
  2. If E occurred in the past, it is now-necessary that E occurred then. [Principle of the Necessity of the Past]
  3. It is now-necessary that yesterday God believed T. [1, 2]
  4. Necessarily, if yesterday God believed T, then T. [Definition of “infallibility”]
  5. If p is now-necessary, and necessarily (p → q), then q is now-necessary. [Transfer of Necessity Principle]
  6. So it is now-necessary that T. [3,4,5]
  7. If it is now-necessary that T, then you cannot do otherwise than answer the telephone tomorrow at 9 am. [Definition of “necessary”]
  8. Therefore, you cannot do otherwise than answer the telephone tomorrow at 9 am. [6, 7]
  9. If you cannot do otherwise when you do an act, you do not act freely. [Principle of Alternate Possibilities]
  10. Therefore, when you answer the telephone tomorrow at 9 am, you will not do it freely. [8, 9]
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(Revelation of John 9:20-21) [20] And the rest of the men who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and golden, and silver, and bronze, and stone, and wooden idols (which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk). [21] And they did not repent of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

(Revelation of John 16:9-11) [9] And men were burned with great heat. And they blasphemed the name of God, He having authority over these plagues. And they did not repent in order to give Him glory. [10] And the fifth angel poured out his vial on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom became darkened. And they gnawed their tongues from the pain. [11] And they blasphemed the God of Heaven because of their pains and their sores. And they did not repent of their deeds.

God has stated infallibly "And they did not repent of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts."

future event that will happen

he knows their choice , he didn't make it for them, they freely sinned , freely blaspheme God
God's infallible knowledge of the future doesn't make their choices.
they are no less free because God knows "they did not repent of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts."
 
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way 2 go said:
(Revelation of John 9:20-21) [20] And the rest of the men who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and golden, and silver, and bronze, and stone, and wooden idols (which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk). [21] And they did not repent of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

(Revelation of John 16:9-11) [9] And men were burned with great heat. And they blasphemed the name of God, He having authority over these plagues. And they did not repent in order to give Him glory. [10] And the fifth angel poured out his vial on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom became darkened. And they gnawed their tongues from the pain. [11] And they blasphemed the God of Heaven because of their pains and their sores. And they did not repent of their deeds.

God has stated infallibly "And they did not repent of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts."

future event that will happen

he knows their choice , he didn't make it for them, they freely sinned , freely blaspheme God
God's infallible knowledge of the future doesn't make their choices.
they are no less free because God knows "they did not repent of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts."
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Repeating your position as though it hasn't already been addressed is not a rebuttal.

The argument was not that God’s knowledge causes their choice.

The argument was that if their choice was infallibly known beforehand, then their choice was necessary; and if it was necessary, they could not do otherwise.

Your response is just:

“God knew it, but they were still free.”

That is the very claim under dispute.

You have to answer the argument, not simply restate the position the argument is challenging.
 
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