ECT Jesus on trial at the Council

0scar

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Jesus trial at the Counsil took at least too days. First day, the trial extended along the morning hours, when many false witnesses where presented. Finally two false witnesses presented theyr testimony but where found false. At that point, the High Pries interrogate Jesus who declared himself the Christ.
Next morning the Counsil gather again, and decided to send Jesus to Pilate to be crucified.

Jesus were NOT crucified same day of his arrest
 
oatmeal

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If you do not want to spend decades reinventing the wheel, find and read a copy of "Jesus Christ Our Passover" by Victor Paul Wierwille.
 
0scar

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Victor Paul Wierwille is totally wrong, and he is not authority on the matter.
Instead, you will lear a lot by reading me.
 
genuineoriginal

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0scar said:
Jesus trial at the Counsil took at least too days. First day, the trial extended along the morning hours, when many false witnesses where presented. Finally two false witnesses presented theyr testimony but where found false. At that point, the High Pries interrogate Jesus who declared himself the Christ.
Next morning the Counsil gather again, and decided to send Jesus to Pilate to be crucified.

Jesus were NOT crucified same day of his arrest
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Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Abib, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened, the day after He ate the Pesach with the Disciples.

Your attempts at making the trial before the council last until after the Holy Convocation of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened, followed by the trial by Pilate lasting another two days, would make four days of the Feast of Unleavened before Jesus was even crucified.
 
0scar

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genuineoriginal said:
Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Abib, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened, the day after He ate the Pesach with the Disciples.

Your attempts at making the trial before the council last until after the Holy Convocation of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened, followed by the trial by Pilate lasting another two days, would make four days of the Feast of Unleavened before Jesus was even crucified.
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Yes. That is exactly what the Gospels declare.
Jesus did celebrates the Pesach with the disciples. Pesach is celebrated the evening of the 15th. And that is exactly what the Gospels declare: that the 14th Jesus instructed Peter and John and that coming the evening of the 15th Jesus sat to eat with them.

The Gospels then present a trial at the Council wich hapened during the morning. It was a long, very long trial according to the Gospels that took at least great part of that morning if not all day.

The Gospels tels us that the Council gather again, this time very early in the morning and decided to take Jesus to Pilate. That is obviously another day, by daybreak.

Eventually Jesus is at Pilate by noon. That is what we read in the Gospels. We can argue if it was the same day or if Pilate trial, plus Herod plus pilate again took more of one day. That is irrelevant.

But Jesus was crucified by 9am, after being at Piloate by 12am, obviously a next day again.

We can argue long how many days elapsed from arrest to crucifixion but the Gospels clearly signal more than a couple of days.
 
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genuineoriginal said:
No, the Gospels show that the trial was rushed so Jesus would be crucified the day following the last supper.
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Jesus was led to the Council in the morning.
Luke 22:66 When day came, the assembly of the elders of the people gathered together, both chief priests and scribes; and they led him away to their council,

The trial at the Council was long
Matt 26:59 Now the chief priests and the whole council sought false testimony against Jesus that they might put him to death, 60 but they found none, though many false witnesses came forward. At last two came forward 61 and said, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.’”

Next mornig Jesus is led to Pilate
Matt 27:1 When morning came, all the chief priests and the elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death; 2 and they bound him and led him away and delivered him to Pilate the governor.
 
genuineoriginal

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0scar said:
Jesus was led to the Council in the morning.
Luke 22:66 When day came, the assembly of the elders of the people gathered together, both chief priests and scribes; and they led him away to their council,

The trial at the Council was long
Matt 26:59 Now the chief priests and the whole council sought false testimony against Jesus that they might put him to death, 60 but they found none, though many false witnesses came forward. At last two came forward 61 and said, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.’”

Next mornig Jesus is led to Pilate
Matt 27:1 When morning came, all the chief priests and the elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death; 2 and they bound him and led him away and delivered him to Pilate the governor.
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Matthew 26:1-2
1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples,
2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.​

 
0scar

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Jesus himself was foreseeing that he would not be crucified on the 15th

Matthew 26:1-2
1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples,
2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

On the 15th Jesus was betrayed. Period. Not crucified, but betrayed.
 
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Oscar,

re: "On the 15th Jesus was betrayed. Period. Not crucified, but betrayed."


So you're saying that He was crucified on the 16th?
 
0scar

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rstrats said:
Oscar,

re: "On the 15th Jesus was betrayed. Period. Not crucified, but betrayed."


So you're saying that He was crucified on the 16th?
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Not on the 16th.
The Gospels say that on the 14th Jesus ended the day alive and free. That on the 15th he celebrated Passover with the 12 and in that mornig he was betrayed. That the trial at the Counsil took two day (the earlyest being 15th and 16th). That the trial at Pilate took at least two days (the earliest being 16Th and 17th). And that the crucifixion took place next morning (the earliest being the 18th).

But this thread is only abaout the two days of trial at the Council.
 
0scar

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You denay scripture
Your human-made chronology is like this:
14th evening (1800) Jesus celebrates the Lords Supper
14th 1500 Jesus die
14th 1200 Jesus on trial by Pilate
14th 0900 Jesus crucified.

I Have show you in the scripture that the 14th Jesus ended the day alive and free
I have show you in the scripture that Jesus was at the Counsil during morning hours
I have show you in the Scripture that Jesus was sent to Pilate at dawn (following day)
I have show you in scripture that Jesus was at Pilate at noon
I have show you in scripture that Jesus was crucified at 9am (next day)

You just refuse to believe the truth and would rather believe the thoughts of man. Me, myself I will let God be truth and every man a liar. God said the Passover is to be offered during the 7 days of the Passover Fest (not necessarely the 14th), which was a picture of Christ our Passover, which was killed according to God's plan, not yours, during the 7 days of Passover.
 
genuineoriginal

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0scar said:
I Have show you in the scripture that the 14th Jesus ended the day alive and free
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Yes, Jesus was alive and free when the sun went down on the 14 day of Abib.
0scar said:
I have show you in the Scripture that Jesus was sent to Pilate at dawn (following day)
I have show you in scripture that Jesus was at Pilate at noon
I have show you in scripture that Jesus was crucified at 9am (next day)
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Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Abib.
If your timeline says something else, then your timeline is wrong.

0scar said:
God said the Passover is to be offered during the 7 days of the Passover Fest (not necessarely the 14th), which was a picture of Christ our Passover, which was killed according to God's plan, not yours, during the 7 days of Passover.
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No, God said that the passover was to be eaten in the night between the 14th and 15th days of Abib, nothing was to be left over until morning (Exodus 12:10). The feast of unleavened bread (not the passover) was to last from the morning of the 15th day of Abib until sunset on the 21st day of Abib (seven days).
 
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0scar said:
And that the crucifixion took place next morning (the earliest being the 18th).
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So in this view you have do you also say the 18th was preparation day? I thought it was the preparation day for the Passover?

Mark 15:42 NASB - When evening had already come, because it was the preparation day, that is, the day before the Sabbath,

Luke 23:54 NASB - It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

Matthew 27:62 NASB - Now on the next day, the day after the preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered together with Pilate,

John 19:14 NASB - Now it was the day of preparation for the Passover; it was about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, "Behold, your King!"

John 19:31 NASB - Then the Jews, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

John 19:42 NASB - Therefore because of the Jewish day of preparation, since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.
 
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