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consider making your point using scripture and people might believe you they don't really care what the Catholic Church preaches.
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How many times does it have to be said to people like you who just cannot get it through their thick head that these beliefs are the beliefs of all Christians, Orthodox, Anglicans, Catholic, everybody except your tiny slice of protestantism. We don't have to prove anything to you, you have to prove to us why all of Christianity has been wrong for 2,000 years, and you're dopey half-baked interpretation is correct.
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January 1st: Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God
On this holy feast day, we take a moment as we start our new year to honor our Blessed Mother, who in her “yes” to God brought our Savior into the world to redeem us.
Jesus says on the cross, “Behold your Mother.” As we all jump into the frenzy of the new year and start attempting to bring our resolutions to fruition, let us call on the aid of our Mother Mary to give us the strength to draw closer to her Son every day this year.
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On this holy feast day, we take a moment as we start our new year to honor our Blessed Mother, who in her “yes” to God brought our Savior into the world to redeem us.
Jesus says on the cross, “Behold your Mother.” As we all jump into the frenzy of the new year and start attempting to bring our resolutions to fruition, let us call on the aid of our Mother Mary to give us the strength to draw closer to her Son every day this year.
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If anybody set aside Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit and only focused on Mary, then that would be different, but nobody does that, and if anybody did do that, they wouldn't be good Catholics. Our veneration of Mary is always always always in the context of the Trinity. There's a very fine line between Who is God and who is not. She is the God bearer, and the only one. So that makes her special among all mortals, even among the Apostles and Prophets and John the Baptist, but she is still just a mortal.
Mary was as sinful as anyone else and was saved in the same way as her contemporaries.
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Luk 1:47 (KJV) And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
Except it isn't "always always always."
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What does it look like to "set aside"? Does it mean that "hail Mary" is more often expressed, as often expressed, or just a little less often expressed than "Our Father...hallowed be thy name"?
What do you mean by that? Are you suggesting that we treat someone who isnt God almost like God?
"Mortal" meaning that she would die of her sins without Christ's atoning sacrifice?
No Mary is not the mother of God ... God has no mother or father he exists/has existed eternally. The same is true for The WORD for he was with God and was God as God's living spoken voice.
BUT things were different for the promised Messiah manifested in flesh. God did enter into man's realm of flesh through the human doorway called a mother. God the Savior had a mother who birthed him into this created world and into flesh. Lord Jesus who was God the Savior came born of a virgin who was Mary and his father was the Spirit of God.
The womb of Woman was the doorway God established for his children to enter this world and Jesus came by that door. It was the first time any human being had ever seen God as the begotten son of God in flesh. John 1:18 Men had seen God the Father but never before seen God the Messiah in flesh. It was John the Baptist who declared his identity to the people of his day.
Yes, Lord Jesus was God ... but he was also a new being ... God designed with the ability to be the savior of humanity.
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So... according to you... GOD was ALSO A NEW BEING... that's idiotically wrong.
Another point about Mary being the Mother of the Messiah and not God of Genesis 1.
FEMALE of Genesis 1, next called WOMAN in Genesis 2, and later called by the name of Eve in Genesis three was predestined to be the Mother of the Messiah. God created female/woman to be the conduit/womb through which all humanity and the Messiah would come. Now, which woman would it be? That became the question after 1,000s of years had passed.
Well, Jesus recognized the fulfillment of his birth through his predestined mother as he hung on the cross by saying this: "WOMAN behold your Son." That promised WOMAN turned out to be highly favored Mary. God had no mother or father ... but the Christ came through the door of WOMAN's womb and God the Holy Spirit was his Father..
And yes ... I believe Jesus, being the WORD of God and being THAT LIGHT of God, was God but in flesh. People may have seen God the Father in OT times but no person had ever seen God manifested as the begotten Son until Jesus was born. John the Baptist declared his identity unto men. John 1:18
FEMALE of Genesis 1, next called WOMAN in Genesis 2, and later called by the name of Eve in Genesis three was predestined to be the Mother of the Messiah. God created female/woman to be the conduit/womb through which all humanity and the Messiah would come. Now, which woman would it be? That became the question after 1,000s of years had passed.
Well, Jesus recognized the fulfillment of his birth through his predestined mother as he hung on the cross by saying this: "WOMAN behold your Son." That promised WOMAN turned out to be highly favored Mary. God had no mother or father ... but the Christ came through the door of WOMAN's womb and God the Holy Spirit was his Father..
And yes ... I believe Jesus, being the WORD of God and being THAT LIGHT of God, was God but in flesh. People may have seen God the Father in OT times but no person had ever seen God manifested as the begotten Son until Jesus was born. John the Baptist declared his identity unto men. John 1:18
Scripture says that God has existed eternally. God is the ONE who created female/Woman; so, how could she be God's mother if she has not existed eternally before God??? I mean what? The doesn't even make any sense!
Female didn't exist eternally she was created at a specific time. Adam named her Woman only after she was manifested with a womb and visible in our world. How could Female/Woman have given birth to her eternal Creator? I believe the Bible makes things clear.
Now, if you begin to talk about God as Jesus the Messiah things get a bit more mysterious. One must understand how God works/creates and his purposes. That's a lot.
LOL. That a girl. Strong in faith - right or wrong. I like that.
Now, I will present an argument as to why I believe Mary was not the mother of God. Even Jesus made a statement that would leave most of us wondering: When told, "Behold thy mother and thy brothers stand without, desiring to speak with thee. (Mathew 12:47) He replied: "Who is my mother? and who are my brothers?"
Now, Mary was standing outside want to talk to him. Why didn't he just say clearly, "Bring my mother Mary to me? Instead he proposed a thought provoking question. Hmmm ...
He stretched out his hand toward his disciples, and said, "Behold my mother and brothers! Obviously, he avoided calling Mary his mother. I believe Jesus.
Now why ... for whatever reason on earth would he call believers his mother,brother,family? Could it be the truth?
My thoughts drifted back to the beginning of us ... Genesis 1 and 2.
God already existed and part of God's plan was the Promise he made to Female/Woman. She and male would meet and multiply and produce a family unto God. The Messiah was predestined to come from the first Woman. Her seed plus the Holy Spirit would bring forth the Son of God.
Who was predestined to become God's family? Answer: The genetic codes contained within original mankind/male+female. Male/named Adam and female/named Woman would bring forth God's family.
Then one day I found a scripture in the NT that OPENED MY EYES! Timothy understood things ... I think. Anyway he says he told the truth.
I Timothy 2:7-15 (that's a lot to go over line by line; so, I will just cover verses 13-15
13 For Adam (mankind/male - female) was created first and then Eve (I consider this females third name -female/Woman/Eve).
MY THOUGHTS: You see male female came first. Female/Woman/Eve was separated and became the portal for the entrance of the Messiah. It has taken the birth of millions of Females/Women/Eves to bring the Messiah into the world. It took more than Mary. If at any time the chain was broken then Messiah would not have come. I think time and purity had more of an effect on the choice of Mary and certainly knowing that she would embrace her roll made a difference.
14 And Adam was not deceived, BUT the Woman being deceived was in transgression.
MY THOUGHTS: I theorize that woman deserved judgement. Yet, Timothy explains there was hope for Female/WOMAN/Eve. What was her hope?
15a Not withstanding SHE shall be saved IN CHILDBEARING!
MY THOUGHTS: WOMAN ... women was not lost! She just needed to continue bring forth children and other females until the Messiah arrived. Oh my, I want to weep as I write. Thank You my Lord for saving all women from our transgression in the beginning.
CONCLUSION: All women have been the mother of the Messiah since the beginning... The Messiah who was of her seed and the Holy Spirit. HE brought forth Himself unto Himself through the door he designed ... Woman offered the portal and Mary supplied the necessary sinful flesh of Eve. She did not create/birth/supply the spiritual God - the predestined Messiah.
Jesus made it all fit for my conclusions when he said from the cross: "WOMAN behold YOUR Son." It means so much more than, " Mary behold your son," ... although God's words often have an earthly meaning and a divine spiritual meaning. He spoke to me as a female of the human race.
It took Adam and Eve to bring forth the brothers and sisters of our Messiah until he arrived from God as God. Amen