Muhammad Ali refuses to fight in Vietnam (1967)

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Ali didn't want to fight for a predominantly white country.

No point in anyone, or he himself, having dragged in his Muslim affiliation- other than to note that Islam is predominantly non-white :rolleyes:
 

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I agree about his evil political positions. However, there should be no draft.

Normally I would agree. But looking at what little turds and jerks so many kids are these days, a draft might be just the thing some of them need. Could you imagine one of those dope-smoking OWS losers face to face with an Al Qaeda fighter and his Kalashnikov? LOL! I'd give anything to see that.

And you're here to, what, point out how big a jerk you are?
Oh, that title belongs to you little Kruschev
 

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...Ali was not very smart, big mouth who loved himself———-yes a great boxer who made big bucks and lost big bucks. He had no concept of the Vietnam Communism, and sure as hell had no idea about Islamism but a few bits and pieces fed to him by his lapdogs. I would venture he had to get advice about his name...

Do you have anything to back your statement regarding Ali having "no concept of Vietnam Communism"...and "no idea about Islamism but a few bits and pieces fed to him by his lapdogs"?

Islam and Communism go back a ways, why would Ali not know about the history of the two mass murdering regimes love affair?

Support of Islam was considered part of Russian-based anti-colonialism. It is very significant that
Vladimir Lenin in 1917 addressed his second message to the ‘Muslim toilers of Russia and the Whole World.’ So they considered Muslims a reservoir of people for the world communist revolution.”


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Communists and Muslims: The Hidden Hand of the KGB
http://leninandsharia.com/docs/preobrazhensky.pdf
 

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Do you have anything to back your statement regarding Ali having "no concept of Vietnam Communism"...and "no idea about Islamism but a few bits and pieces fed to him by his lapdogs"?

Islam and Communism go back a ways, why would Ali not know about the history of the two mass murdering regimes love affair?

Support of Islam was considered part of Russian-based anti-colonialism. It is very significant that
Vladimir Lenin in 1917 addressed his second message to the ‘Muslim toilers of Russia and the Whole World.’ So they considered Muslims a reservoir of people for the world communist revolution.”


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Communists and Muslims: The Hidden Hand of the KGB
http://leninandsharia.com/docs/preobrazhensky.pdf

Ali was not very intelligent, he failed the Army battery of tests. I'm not even sure he graduated from hi school, If he did it on purpose then it even makes his mental state worse……I remember his many sports interview
s which contained nothing but braggadocio and racism——-Casius Clay—-Mohammed Ali was manipulated by promoters, his fight managers and a few radical black activists. and by his own ego. If he had any intelligence he would have retired after his first loss. I'm sure you remember that he was in with some heavy punchers and towards the end took some hard wallops to the head, yes he was also knocked down a couple of times.

He ended up with dementia, brain damaged. There are plenty of fighters who rose to the top——-got knocked off once or twice, took their earnings and left, Floyd Patterson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, etch…..

As for Vietnam——well his big thing—-the Vietnamese people didn't do anything to him so why should he go off and fight them????/ Obviously not fully aware of the brutality and imperialism of the Communist Vietnamese regime———-

But that's over, now if you admire Ali, fine,,,,,great boxer.

Mohammed Ali—-christened by his mentor Farakhan and the Muslimm whatever… Malcom

if Ali was so interested in peace———-uuuuhh and if he was so knowledgeable about Vietnam, he should have realized that the Communist regime, Viet Cong, was a brutal regime that restricted freedom——-a virtue Ali so boasted about here back home…

Sorry Jack,, the poor Ali was an ignorant pawn———well prepped as to what to say.

So you really have no evidence*, other than just your opinion that Muhammad Ali didn't know anything about communism or Islam?

*the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid:
 

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He failed the Army battery of tests…..you really have to be low on the IQ scale to fail the test.

Or trying his hardest not to be drafted.

Almost all his interviews were lost in his bragging———-very little intellectual discussions. he probably couldn't point out where Vietnam was.

Boxing fans aren't into "intellectual discussions". He was controversial, that's what people wanted, just like they do with the moral degenerate Donald Trump.

He associated with two race baiters Farakhan and MalcomX who guided his speech.

It's already been established that Ali was a hardcore racist.

...Those are not opinions—-those are facts…..Keep in mind this is in the 60"s blacks were outspoke, drugs, anti war people———so he could easily learn some anti war rhetoric…

They are your opinions, again, no evidence to back them up as being factual.

Also, not an opinion, history, M. L. King, Black leaders were against the War, along with numerous black political leaders, Black Panthers,,,,not opinion, history, so here was poor Ali grabbed up and manipulated by the anti war crowd. Fact.

The anti war movement was communist backed; thanks for making my point. Did you happen to read my link about the communist-Islamic ties that go back to comrade Lenin's days in 1917? I didn't think so.

As for his knowledge of Islamism and Communism, never heard anything in depth or indicating that he was knowledgeable. He never lectured at Universities on those topics———he just concentrated on his boxing ability "float like a butterfly—-sting like a bee." Then he would bite his lower lip, tough- like and clench his right or left fist….I'm sure you remember all his interviews, he was even dubbed the "Lip".

LOL...nor have I ever heard of any boxer lecturing at Universities on any topic.

After he retired from the ring and his brain damage began to show, he attended many functions, show piece, his speech slurred etc.

I worked on a protection detail for him one time when he was in Seattle. It's sad to see a human being in such condition, I guess he reaped what he sowed huh?

Speaking of opinions————do you have any except for you opinions about my opinions.

I presented the facts through his own words. Without a doubt he had people writing things for him to say, but prior to his brain damage he did have a brain that could differentiate between right and wrong. Too bad he took the side of evil

He was famous for his boxing and draft dodging, which was a big deal in the 60"

The latter is still a "big deal" for people who had sons, fathers, brothers, uncles, loved ones and friends die heroically fighting communism in SE Asia.

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But looking at what little turds and jerks so many kids are these days, a draft might be just the thing some of them need.

The military does not exist so turds and jerks can straighten out their lives.

Could you imagine one of those dope-smoking OWS losers face to face with an Al Qaeda fighter and his Kalashnikov?

Knowing this, why would you depend on that conscript?
 

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ACW,

Challenges opinions with his own opinions——-then lost, wanders all over the board with disconnected opinions. Whew!

As aCW recalls, our conversation left off here:

Quote: Originally posted by paxvobiscum
He was famous for his boxing and draft dodging, which was a big deal in the 60"

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
The latter is still a "big deal" for people who had sons, fathers, brothers, uncles, loved ones and friends die heroically fighting communism in SE Asia.
 
WLJ,

Why would I throw away a gold ring (CC) and settle for a brass ring (Protestant), Silly girl.

Rather childish, don't you think, to jump into a topic, show your rudeness and post an insulting and immature comments. Methinks it's part of your "misandry" condition.

Keep posting those adolescent, hi school juvenile insults———they really demonstrate a great deal about who you are.

JMJ

Ten-four, paxconstipatio. The irony is you're more likeable on the sauce, though, to be quite frank, if I had my druthers, comatosed makes for the most agreeable Roman Catholic.

A word of warning. Don’t provoke me, bead mumbler! I may throw scripture truth at you, which will surely reduce you to posting, “I’m melting... I’m melting!” We wouldn’t want that, would we? Well, alright then. You wouldn’t want that.

Hey! Speaking of which, isn’t it about time for you to start tipping the communion merlot? It’s even way past morning. Or are you too busy on YouTube, seeing if there’s a live event being streamed from the Vatican, on this one day of the year that the way you guys dress makes sense? Tell you what, I see Francis in July and want to give him a Tootsie Roll.
 

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ACW——

Why would a self-centered draft dodger be a "big deal" to families who have lost one's family members and close friends doing their service for their Country? I think the phrase "big deal" means he's well noted for the self-serving, selfish act of being an unpatriotic, mocking draft dodger.

The only people that might consider Ali a "big deal" are the pot smokers, stoned out, pony-tailed derelicts who sat around underneath bridges and like Joe Cocker spent a good deal barfing up the assortment of drugs and crappy food.

I suppose your crowd also thought that (Hanoi) Jane Fonda was also a " big deal", another unpatriotic low info person with a famous name.

Yeahhh…, ACW, you sure have some role models to admire……..Whew, no wonder misfits like Obama and probably Hilary get elected or become candidates for the highest office.

God Help America.

Ali was part of the communist backed anti-war movement, lead by admitted socialists/communist sympathizers like Hanoi Jane Fonda and Martin Luther King Jr.

WARNING! There is a foul term used in this video on two different occasions, but you can't talk about a traitor without doing so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRTxMrxWE9w
 

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Ten-four, paxconstipatio. The irony is you're more likeable on the sauce, though, to be quite frank, if I had my druthers, comatosed makes for the most agreeable Roman Catholic.

WlJ

A person who can hurl as many crude and contemptuous insults at another board member——-well sure hope you are taking your menapausal pills. please check your estrogen level————-Your mood swings —- perfect symptomatic of your condition.

Poor thing——-menapausal mood swings is a very disagreeable time———you have my sympathy.

Would you two Trump supporters take your argument to a Donald Trump friendly venue (i.e. a strip joint, a casino or a 'gay' bathhouse) as this thread is for serious discussion on the topic of racist, anti American/communist sympathizer Muhammad Ali.
 
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