Not Everyone Fears the Muslims.

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China Declares War On Islam: Prayer In Mosques Is Outlawed And All Muslim Shopkeepers Must Sell Alcohol Or Face Prosecution.

Before a Muslim community gets into Jihad mode, the first thing they do is call on all Muslims to repent from alcohol, pork and tobacco. It is this spark which begins the process rolling, as small groups of Muslims begin to push that agenda on Muslim communities by using peer-pressure. When this happens, it is a sign that trouble is ahead. Pretty soon they begin to demand a change in laws in order to force the host to acquiesce to their demands.

This problem exists in any society where Islam is allowed. So when giving Muslims “freedom of religion,” the ball gets rolling and soon Islam’s ethics begins to conflict with the host nation.

What the west needs to learn, and they will, slowly, is that Islam is the antithesis to western ethics: the more you have repentant Muslims, the more they are prone to violence while in the Judeo-Christian ethics, it is usually that the repentant gives peace and also finds peace. The reason for such a reverse between the two ethics is simple to understand. Firstly, Islam focuses on the outward forms of holiness: Hijabs, beards, no drinking, no pork and no smoking. Secondly, Islam’s concept of ‘peace’ has nothing to do with western understanding of the term. Peace in Islam is the Muslim definition for ‘justice’ and is foreign in all aspects, be it the concept of peace, the definition of peace and the practice of peace. In Islam, peace can only exist when Sharia reigns supreme.

So in order to fight the spread of Islam, the best approach is almost like the war on drugs where a society brings down the enabler, that is the ‘drug pusher’ (Imams, mosques) and also the substance (Quran and Muslim materials).

So in China, unlike the west, they get it. The Chinese authorities launched a series of “strike hard” campaigns to weaken the hold of the drug of Islam in China’s western region. So they have ordered Muslim shopkeepers and restaurant owners in its troubled Xinjiang region to sell alcohol and cigarettes, and even promote them in “eye-catching displays,” as Radio Free Asia (RFA) reported. Alcohol and tobacco, while it is a problem, to the Chinese is the lesser of the two evils. So now establishments that failed to comply were swiftly dealt with and were threatened with closure and their owners with prosecution.

So while some might think that China is imposing on freedoms, it becomes a tough balance, westerners need to ask themselves as to why they impose on Christians to bake cakes for gays with an agenda. So while we complain about China, where are the massive complaints about forcing Christian shops to acquiesce to the LGBT?

In reality, it is the Islamists who are imposing their Sharia driven agenda on the public and the Chinese government is thwarting their attempts. For example, in one unrelated incident in neighboring Qinghai province on Friday, an angry crowd of Muslims smashed windows of a supposedly halal store in Xining city, after pork sausages and ham were found in a delivery van, according to the local government and photographs on social media.
 

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Fighting in the UK

Fighting in the UK

The shocking scenes are taken from London's Holy Turf War, a new documentary that shows two opposing groups. On one side is the Muslim patrol berating people who drink or dress provocatively in the streets while on the other is Britain First, a political party and 'street defence organisation' that says it 'opposes and fights the many injustices that are routinely inflicted on the British people'.

The Muslim patrol is supported by the controversial Anjem Choudary who wants to see the introduction of sharia into Britain.

Three of its members were jailed on December 6, 2013. Jordan Horner, a 19-year old Islamic convert who calls himself Jamaal Uddin, pleaded guilty to two charges of assault and two charges of using threatening words and behaviour, was sentenced to 68 weeks’ imprisonment. Ricardo MacFarlane, 36, who pleaded not guilty, was sentenced to one year for affray and two years for using threatening words and behaviour.
 

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China Declares War On Islam: Prayer In Mosques Is Outlawed And All Muslim Shopkeepers Must Sell Alcohol Or Face Prosecution.


In reality, it is the Islamists who are imposing their Sharia driven agenda on the public and the Chinese government is thwarting their attempts. For example, in one unrelated incident in neighboring Qinghai province on Friday, an angry crowd of Muslims smashed windows of a supposedly halal store in Xining city, after pork sausages and ham were found in a delivery van, according to the local government and photographs on social media.

You made some very good points and connections that many Americans don't see yet. Good for China for picking a lesser evil ? Perhaps so.
The video of the Russians and Muslims was one sided. The muzzies rolled up in a ball. LOL :chuckle:
 

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What I am thinking, watching some videos on YouTube and reading various articles on the web, is more than anyone, the Muslims are the most dangerous of any culture today.

China may not be a religious nation, yet they seem to understand, the Muslims are a threat to every other culture because they impose their own vision and agenda, with intent to make everyone else submit to it.

When you say to do not believe on God to a Christian, the Christian usually feels sorry for your loss With Muslims, however, they want to kill you. Those who despite this will fail to defeat this most pernicious enemy.
 

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I think this is peculiar, we have Sweden, not my idea of utopia, is such a liberal nation who is as much against the Muslims. The reason is obvious, most conservatives are not out to hurt liberal persons, only to keep our traditions.

Imagine if the most conservative Americans emigrated to Sweden? Now would it seen rational to assume conservatives in general, or conservative Christians, might press for more traditional values. There is not way any conservative Americans or Europeans would want to distroy the actual people of the counrty they hace literally invaded!


Sweden's anti-immigration party now in first place. Why?
 

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China Declares War On Islam: Prayer In Mosques Is Outlawed And All Muslim Shopkeepers Must Sell Alcohol Or Face Prosecution.

Before a Muslim community gets into Jihad mode, the first thing they do is call on all Muslims to repent from alcohol, pork and tobacco. It is this spark which begins the process rolling, as small groups of Muslims begin to push that agenda on Muslim communities by using peer-pressure. When this happens, it is a sign that trouble is ahead. Pretty soon they begin to demand a change in laws in order to force the host to acquiesce to their demands.

This problem exists in any society where Islam is allowed. So when giving Muslims “freedom of religion,” the ball gets rolling and soon Islam’s ethics begins to conflict with the host nation.

What the west needs to learn, and they will, slowly, is that Islam is the antithesis to western ethics: the more you have repentant Muslims, the more they are prone to violence while in the Judeo-Christian ethics, it is usually that the repentant gives peace and also finds peace. The reason for such a reverse between the two ethics is simple to understand. Firstly, Islam focuses on the outward forms of holiness: Hijabs, beards, no drinking, no pork and no smoking. Secondly, Islam’s concept of ‘peace’ has nothing to do with western understanding of the term. Peace in Islam is the Muslim definition for ‘justice’ and is foreign in all aspects, be it the concept of peace, the definition of peace and the practice of peace. In Islam, peace can only exist when Sharia reigns supreme.

So in order to fight the spread of Islam, the best approach is almost like the war on drugs where a society brings down the enabler, that is the ‘drug pusher’ (Imams, mosques) and also the substance (Quran and Muslim materials).

So in China, unlike the west, they get it. The Chinese authorities launched a series of “strike hard” campaigns to weaken the hold of the drug of Islam in China’s western region. So they have ordered Muslim shopkeepers and restaurant owners in its troubled Xinjiang region to sell alcohol and cigarettes, and even promote them in “eye-catching displays,” as Radio Free Asia (RFA) reported. Alcohol and tobacco, while it is a problem, to the Chinese is the lesser of the two evils. So now establishments that failed to comply were swiftly dealt with and were threatened with closure and their owners with prosecution.

So while some might think that China is imposing on freedoms, it becomes a tough balance, westerners need to ask themselves as to why they impose on Christians to bake cakes for gays with an agenda. So while we complain about China, where are the massive complaints about forcing Christian shops to acquiesce to the LGBT?

In reality, it is the Islamists who are imposing their Sharia driven agenda on the public and the Chinese government is thwarting their attempts. For example, in one unrelated incident in neighboring Qinghai province on Friday, an angry crowd of Muslims smashed windows of a supposedly halal store in Xining city, after pork sausages and ham were found in a delivery van, according to the local government and photographs on social media.

We need to wake up!
 

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Ravi Zacharias

Ravi Zacharias

Zacharias held the chair in Evangelism and Contemporary Thought at Alliance Theological Seminary from 1981 to 1984. Evangelical Christian leader Chuck Colson referred to Zacharias as "the great apologist of our time."Zacharias is considered to be a leading figure of the evangelical intelligentsia movement.

Best Christian Muslim Debate ever !!!


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As much as I dislike homosexuality, I do not believe homosexuals want to kill me if I do not believe what they believe., Yes, they want everyone to believe they are normal, and they are wrong, yet they do not believe their homosexuality will save then by killing me because I think different.
 

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We need to wake up!

Yes we do. If we know what Islam teaches is not personal salvation, rather interpersonal salvation and here we become the agent of their salvation by dying. Islam teaches Alla is honored by the death of all infidels.
 

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Yes we do. If we know what Islam teaches is not personal salvation, rather interpersonal salvation and here we become the agent of their salvation by dying. Islam teaches Allah is honored by the death of all infidels.

Indeed. We should not buy into the media's politically correct toadying notion of "radical Islam" or "radicalized Islamists" as if there is truly such a thing as a true Muslim who is not already radical, given what their book teaches.

I would ask, What doesn't offend Muslims? The only truthful answer from a faithful Muslim is that Muslims are offended by the existence of anyone who is not Muslim.

If you're not Muslim, you're an infidel. First and foremost–it's not what you say or do, but what you are, that's intolerable.

You could say nothing, or you could mouth all the right Islamic honorific titles in conversations with Muslims (empowering and emboldening) them), but even that is insufficient to placate Muslim sensibilities. For that matter, it's not even enough to be Muslim. After all, it is offensive to be the wrong kind of Muslim. Sunnis are offensive to Shiites, and vice versa.

Many Muslims still believe the Christian Trinity is “Father, Son, and Mother”. (Surah 5:116) Sigh. This caricature of the Trinitarian doctrine in the Muslim's holy book is alone sufficient evidence that the book of Islam is not divinely inspired. For if it were, the book would at least get the doctrine of the Trinity as taught in the Bible and believed by Christians correct. The fact that it does not is prima facie evidence of the questionable origins of the book.

This fact is more pointed given that the book of Islam arrived on the scene in the seventh century, hundreds of years after the church had declared the doctrine of the Trinity at Chalcedon in answer to the numerous heresies that were prevalent at the time. Was God ignorant of what the Christian church was declaring about His one divine essence and three personal subsistences (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) when His angel, Gabriel, presumably revealed God to Muhammad a cave in the seventh century? You would think that this presumed "corrective" from God through Gabriel to Muhammad would at least have its facts straight about the Christianity being denounced therein.

In the final analysis all the lachrymose pontifications by Muslims that Islam is a religion of peace ignores the reality of their own book.

That which is contained in the book of Islam is clearly denied by Muslims who profess their peaceful religion. Shirk! Indeed, they are hypocrites of the first order of their own professed (but apparantly not possessed) faith.

Any Muslim who gives their careful attention to the violence now part of the Sharia, Muhammad’s Sunna (e.g., 4:24, 4:92, 8:69, 24:33, 33:21, 33:50), and the sword and anti-Christian verses of the Qur’an (e.g., 4:74, 4:91, 8:12, 9:5, 9:29, 33:35-36, 59:2) should realize that the so-called "typical" Muslim's claims of "Islam is a religion of peace" are but chimeras of their own making.

Muslims are quick to point to the violence recorded in the Christian bible and claim that Christianity’s early history was violent, too. But unlike the Bible where some very awful history is recorded, the violence described in the Qur’an is part of Islamic theology. This is a very significant distinction between the two belief systems.

The famous Muslim scholar and “father of modern history” Ibn Khaldun (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Khaldun) states the dichotomy between jihad and defensive warfare thus:

In the Muslim community, the holy war [i.e. jihad] is a religious duty, because of the univer-salism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by per-suasion or by force...The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense...They are merely required to establish their religion among their own people. That is why the Israeilites after Moses and Joshua remained unconcerned with royal authority [e.g. a “caliphate”]. Their only concern was to establish their religion [not spread it to the nations]…But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations (The Muqudimmah, vol. 1 pg. 473).​


If a Muslim are going to stand for something he or she should at least stand for what their book actually teaches.

AMR
 

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I do think Islam is the greatest threat we have ever known, more the Nazism, because that was purely political, and given to change, same with larger political ideology, as with Marxism. Islam is transcendent and this is why it become so dangerous.

Hi AMR, have you read much of Ravi Zacharias? I read one book :cam Man Live Without God' back in the late 1990s.

I think he, like all theologians, even the greatest of these, he has some gaps in hos thinking; however, I think how he is able to speak, and have the readiness to express his knowledge leave me to where summing him up is impassive.

I think it would be alright to post a thread on his speaking, and then lat dialogue follow.
 

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Rather than trying to figure out which group we should fear the most and vilifying them, why not rely on our country's tradition of individual rights and justice?
 

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Yeah, let's follow the example of a police state. 'Cause that'll...show those Muslims.:noid:
 
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