Paul was NEVER under Peter's authority

[Right Divider]

Paul received his authority from the risen and ascended Lord Jesus Christ.

It is claimed by the Romanists that Paul went to Peter in Galatians 2 to "check" that he was teaching correct doctrine. That is absolutely absurd in the highest. They claim that Paul waited almost TWO DECADES (~17 years) to "verify" his teaching? Absolutely ridiculous in every way!

Paul received HIS commission directly from the Lord Jesus Christ AFTER Israel had fallen. The TWELVE apostles were to judge the TWELVE tribes of ISRAEL (from TWELVE thrones none the less). Paul is the ONE apostle for the ONE body.

When Paul met with the twelve in Galatians 2, they added NOTHING to Paul... but on the contrary Paul added something to them.

Gal 2:6-7 KJV But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person: ) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: (7) But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

Paul was given something unique and they recognized it.

Gal 2:9 KJV And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Note that Paul is speaking about something given to HIM, uniquely.

During his entire ministry, Paul was defending his authority.

2Co 11:5 KJV For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.

2Co 12:11 KJV I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.

And today... most of Christianity belittles Paul's ministry as well.

<more on this later>

 

[JudgeRightly]

Thread cleaned up. Do not enter a thread if you have nothing of value to add. It is unnecessarily disruptive.

 

[Right Divider]

Paul constantly claimed a UNIQUE message and ministry.

1Ti 1:11 KJV According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Rom 2:16 KJV In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Rom 16:25-26 KJV Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, (26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

2Ti 2:8 KJV Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Eph 3:2 KJV If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

1Co 3:10 KJV According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

Again and again and again... Paul points to himself as the one that Christ gave something unique (i.e., the gospel of the grace of God) and yet again and again and again Churchianity says that "it's all the same" as what came before.

They are WRONG.

 

[musterion]

That makes them enemies of the cross.

 

[Right Divider]

That makes them enemies of the cross.

To varying degrees, indeed.

 

[Nick M]

It is claimed by the Romanists that Paul went to Peter in Galatians 2 to "check" that he was teaching correct doctrine. That is absolutely absurd in the highest. They claim that Paul waited almost TWO DECADES (~17 years) to "verify" his teaching? Absolutely ridiculous in every way!

11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. ...14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?

Idolator has a hilarious explanation for this. The Bishop was correcting the Pope. While getting his message from him at the same time.

 

[Idolater]

... It is claimed by the Romanists that Paul went to Peter in Galatians 2 to "check" that he was teaching correct doctrine. ...

Where?

 

[Nick M]

The papacy is a distinct office from all the rest of the bishops. He's not just "first among equals", his office is distinct. The idea that his office is just another patriarchate is partisan (the party in question being namely, Eastern Orthodoxy).

The Chair or St. Peter is the throne of David and the seat of Moses in this dispensation (the New and Eternal Covenant). The pope keeps it warm for Jesus for when He returns. He's the King's vicar,

It is why bishops all through history [have] always recognized their right to challenge the pope to his face, it is this very passage.

This is what happens if you move the goal posts instead of moving off your invalidated position.

 

[Idolater]

This is what happens if you move the goal posts instead of moving off your invalidated position.

Elaborate. I see no conflict in these quotes.

 

[Nick M]

The throne of David belongs to God, and only he sits on it. It is hard to kick against the goads.

 

[Idolater]

The throne of David belongs to God, and only he sits on it. It is hard to kick against the goads.

The keys of the kingdom are associated with David's throne in Isaiah 22:22, "And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open."
The power to bind and loose is associated with the seat of Moses, "For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders" Matthew 23:4
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

 

[Nick M]

The keys of the kingdom are associated with David's throne

Because it is Israel's kingdom. Not yours.

 

[Idolater]

Because it is Israel's kingdom. Not yours.

Christ's.

 

[Right Divider]

Christ's.

As the king of Israel and NOT as the head of the body of Christ.

Lack of right division is why so much of Christianity is totally confused these days.

 

[Right Divider]

It's very interesting that nobody has objected to the OP.
You'd think that at least one of our resident RC's would complain loudly.

2Cor 11:5 (AKJV/PCE)​

(11:5) For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.​

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2Cor 12:11 (AKJV/PCE)​

(12:11) I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.​

 

[Idolater]

It's very interesting that nobody has objected to the OP.
You'd think that at least one of our resident RC's would complain loudly.

2Cor 11:5 (AKJV/PCE)​

(11:5) For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.​

​

2Cor 12:11 (AKJV/PCE)​

(12:11) I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.​

Post #7

 

[Idolater]

Post #7

My objection to the OP is post #7

 

[Idolater]

Post #7 reads "Where?" and it is in response to this portion of the OP:

... It is claimed by the Romanists that Paul went to Peter in Galatians 2 to "check" that he was teaching correct doctrine. ...

I'm asking where is that claimed?

 

[JudgeRightly]

Post #7 reads "Where?" and it is in response to this portion of the OP:

... It is claimed by the Romanists that Paul went to Peter in Galatians 2 to "check" that he was teaching correct doctrine. ...

I'm asking where is that claimed?

Did you read the chapter?

Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and also took Titus with me. And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain. Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised. And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage), to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you. But from those who seemed to be something—whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man—for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me. But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. They desired only that we should remember the poor, the very thing which I also was eager to do. Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews? We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified. “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 2:21 - New King James Version

I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Idolater]

I asking where is it "claimed by the Romanists that Paul went to Peter in Galatians 2 to "check" that he was teaching correct doctrine."