When literalist Christians tell me to just open the Bible and read it, as if the truth were simply written there in black and white, I can't help thinking they must be joking.
What is a "literalist Christian"? Another straw-man for you to beat down?
Lutheran scholars have never been able to agree on biblical interpretation, even though the Reformation principle says Scripture alone (Sola Scriptura) is the norm. Sola Scriptura says that Scripture is the final authority, not that Scripture is self‑interpreting in a way that produces uniformity.
First, who cares what "Lutheran scholars" say? Secondly, who cares what "Reformation principles" say? Thirdly, what is the "final authority"?
Quite obviously, the final authority is God Himself. And what is the Bible, but God's Word?
Once you remove a magisterium, every theologian becomes his own interpreter, every pastor becomes his own exegete, and every synod becomes its own doctrinal center.
Is there some magic in a "magisterium"? Is the magisterium not simply a group of men (and/or women)?
The result is not unity but plurality. This is why Lutheranism fractured almost immediately after Luther's death. In fact, Lutherans disagreed from the beginning. Luther disagreed with Karlstadt on the Lord's Supper, images, liturgy, and the pace of reform. He disagreed with Melanchthon on free will, the law, the sacraments, and the role of reason. The conflict between Gnesio‑Lutherans vs. Philippists evolved into a full‑blown civil war inside Lutheranism.
What does this prove? That there is a problem with the scripture? Of course not. The problem is always with men/women.
Sola Scriptura guarantees interpretive diversity, because Scripture is not a commentary on itself. It contains no inspired hermeneutical manual. These require interpretive decisions: law and gospel, wisdom and apocalyptic, narrative and poetry. Some read Scripture through a historical‑critical lens, some through a confessional‑dogmatic lens, some through a pietistic or charismatic lens, and some through a sacramental‑liturgical lens. Sola Scriptura does not adjudicate between these.
No intelligent Christian believes "Sola Scriptura" the way that you seem to be defining it. Again, it appears that you have created a straw-man so that you could have the great pleasure of shoving it to the ground.
Human reason and experience inevitably enter the process. Even Luther admitted this when he said: "Scripture is clear, but not to us." What he means is that clarity is in the text, but the interpreter is clouded. Without a magisterium, the "final authority" becomes the interpreter. This is why Lutheranism, Calvinism, Anabaptism, and later evangelicalism all diverged despite claiming the same principle.
And just who anoints this magisterium? You?
Having a central authority made of MEN does NOT solve your problem in the slightest. It simply moves it one step back.
The irony is that Lutherans appeal to Scripture alone, but in reality they rely on confessions. Confessional Lutheranism insists that the Bible is the only norm, while the Confessions are the correct interpretation of the Bible. But this only shifts the problem: Who interprets the Confessions? Who decides what counts as "confessional"? Who adjudicates new doctrinal questions not addressed in the 16th century?
Again, who really cares what Lutherans think? Are they the standard by which we judge all things? NO! They are not.
God is the final judge of all doctrinal matters and He has given us His Word to establish what is correct and what is not. We have the instruction manual that is GOD BREATHED.
Thus the disagreements continue. Lutheranism claims Scripture alone, but in practice it operates with a thin, rationalized hermeneutic that suppresses the supernatural world of the Bible. The result is a tradition that claims unity in Scripture but lives in interpretive diversity.
Boohoo... what are you going to do about this? Create a "perfect magisterium"?
For example, when it is asserted that the Flood narrative depicts a literal, global catastrophe, this contradicts most scholars of religion. Flood myths are widespread across the world and typically express the primordial fear that chaos might engulf the ordered world. The sea functions as a traditional symbol of chaos, as seen in the Gospel account of Jesus stilling the storm on the Sea of Galilee.
Your use of fallacious reasoning will definitely get you nowhere here on TOL. Homey don't play dat.
- Logical Fallacy: The existence of "Flood myths" in other cultures does not automatically prove the Genesis account is non-literal. One could argue that if a global catastrophe occurred, you would expect to find echoes of it in the oral traditions of every civilization that descended from the survivors.
- Contradiction: You argue that Sola Scriptura fails because it lacks a "magisterium," but then immediately adopts the "magisterium" of modern secular scholars to redefine the Flood. This reveals that your issue is not just with Protestantism, but with the supernatural authority of the text itself.
Ancient peoples lacked any notion of fixed natural laws; they believed that cosmic order depended on the ongoing favour of the gods. Hence the Aztecs offered sacrifices to ensure that the gods remained benevolent and that the sun would rise again. The underlying logic of the Flood myth is the fear that disorder will erupt when humanity violates divine commands. It carries a warning, one that remains worth taking seriously even today.
An unsupported claim at best. The BIBLE is God's Word and IT described a worldwide flood that God used to JUDGE the world. It is a warning of a future worldwide judgement that you appear to mock.
It is clear that scripture cannot be fully understood by the natural man. But that does not mean that we need a group of men (and/or women) to make it clear to us. Many of those men (and/or women) are posers and are not even saved themselves.
Paul explains that problem quite well here:
1Cor 2:6-16 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:6) Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: (2:7) But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: (2:8) Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. (2:9) But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. (2:10) But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. (2:11) For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. (2:12) Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. (2:13) Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (2:14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. (2:15) But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. (2:16) For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Get saved and it will all become clear to you.
P.S. You need to learn to rightly divide the Word of truth.
