purgatory

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Credo in Unum Deum
I do not believe in "eternal suffering".
This is either a bad translation or an error in interpretation.
I do believe in the second death which means those who are not saved will be destroyed completely at the final judgement.

I thought you were a Catholic.
Hell is eternal.
 

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Credo in Unum Deum
I don't know where it says I must believe in eternal suffering.
so
I am not bound by it.
Do you know what second death means?

Not really. I just know this: "The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity"

LINK: https://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a12.htm

IV. HELL

1033
We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: "He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."612 Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.613 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God's merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called "hell."

1034 Jesus often speaks of "Gehenna" of "the unquenchable fire" reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost.614 Jesus solemnly proclaims that he "will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire,"615 and that he will pronounce the condemnation: "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!"616

1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire."617 The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

1036 The affirmations of Sacred Scripture and the teachings of the Church on the subject of hell are a call to the responsibility incumbent upon man to make use of his freedom in view of his eternal destiny. They are at the same time an urgent call to conversion: "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few."618

Since we know neither the day nor the hour, we should follow the advice of the Lord and watch constantly so that, when the single course of our earthly life is completed, we may merit to enter with him into the marriage feast and be numbered among the blessed, and not, like the wicked and slothful servants, be ordered to depart into the eternal fire, into the outer darkness where "men will weep and gnash their teeth."619​

1037 God predestines no one to go to hell;620 for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want "any to perish, but all to come to repentance":621

Father, accept this offering​
from your whole family.​
Grant us your peace in this life,​
save us from final damnation,​
and count us among those you have chosen.622​



612 1 Jn 3:14-15.
613 Cf. Mt 25:31-46.
614 Cf. Mt 5:22,29; 10:28; 13:42,50; Mk 9:43-48.
615 Mt 13:41-42.
616 Mt 25:41.
617 Cf. DS 76; 409; 411; 801; 858; 1002; 1351; 1575; Paul VI, CPG § 12.
618 Mt 7:13-14.
619 LG 48 § 3; Mt 22:13; cf. Heb 9:27; Mt 25:13,26,30,31-46.
620 Cf. Council of Orange II (529) : DS 397; Council of Trent (1547):1567.
621 2 Pet 3:9.
622 Roman Missal, EP I (Roman Canon) 88.
 
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DAN P

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I don't know where it says I must believe in eternal suffering.
so
I am not bound by it.
Do you know what second death means?
And in the book of the REVELATION 20:11-15 will be those that are not SAVED , Rom 8-10 is where you are NOW .

This is what will happen to those are not saved , will spend ETENITIY , and you better be right as there are no second CHANCES .

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Purgatory is a cleansing of the soul before finally going to heaven after a long period of maybe decades. Relatives are encouraged to pray for the deceased in purgatory on all saints day, in order that they may be released so that they might go to heaven.
Occupants of purgatory do not go to hell for eternal suffering, since purgatory is a place to purge the soul. Those destined for hell go there immediately after death.
 

DAN P

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Purgatory is a cleansing of the soul before finally going to heaven after a long period of maybe decades. Relatives are encouraged to pray for the deceased in purgatory on all saints day, in order that they may be released so that they might go to heaven.
Occupants of purgatory do not go to hell for eternal suffering, since purgatory is a place to purge the soul. Those destined for hell go there immediately after death.
And I can not find a GREEK word for PURGATORY in the bible , did YOU ??

dan p
 

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Purgatory is a cleansing of the soul before finally going to heaven after a long period of maybe decades. Relatives are encouraged to pray for the deceased in purgatory on all saints day, in order that they may be released so that they might go to heaven.
Occupants of purgatory do not go to hell for eternal suffering, since purgatory is a place to purge the soul. Those destined for hell go there immediately after death.
False doctrine.
 

annabenedetti

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Purgatory is a cleansing of the soul before finally going to heaven after a long period of maybe decades. Relatives are encouraged to pray for the deceased in purgatory on all saints day, in order that they may be released so that they might go to heaven.
Occupants of purgatory do not go to hell for eternal suffering, since purgatory is a place to purge the soul. Those destined for hell go there immediately after death.

Catholics pray for their deceased on All Souls Day, not All Saints Day.
 
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